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François André Philidor vs NN
"Once A Pawn A Time" (game of the day Nov-23-04)
Unknown 1749  ·  Bishop's Opening: Boi Variation (C23)  ·  1-0


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Apr-29-05   allanon880: It's a pity Phildor beat the great NN. Should have seen it coming. lol.
May-14-05   J.A. Topfke: beenthere240,
After the Fritz line 28...Qb3!?, then your idea of 29.f6 is refuted by 29...Nxe5!

Aug-10-05   Runemaster: <aw1988: <"White does not even have a pawn for the exchange, but his pair of connected passed pawns is very strong," Kasparov writes after 31.Bxb5.> Actually, he has one pawn for the exchange.>

<aw> Kasparov is right, although it took me nearly a year to count up the pieces - after 31.Bxb5, White does not have a pawn for the exchange. In politics, I wouldn't be quick to trust what Kasparov says, but I think we can usually rely on him when it comes to chess.

Aug-10-05   Runemaster: <kevin86: I think it was Augustine of Hippo.>

A great player. Quick to spot and contest heretical novelties; a copious writer and theoritician; one of the great experts on the end. Game.

Nov-27-05
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  Timothy Glenn Forney: 3 Qh5! creates several problems black,I think NN would lose quickly if that move was played.
Nov-27-05
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  KingG: <Fritz evaluates the King gambit to be a half pawn better for black. > Well, this is definitely a reason not to play it then.
Jan-15-06   morpstau: aw1988: <"White does not even have a pawn for the exchange, but his pair of connected passed pawns is very strong," Kasparov writes after 31.Bxb5.> Actually, he has one pawn for the exchange.
Jan-23-06
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  Timothy Glenn Forney: I didn't see 3.Qh5 Qf6 stops whites plans, opps.
Apr-10-06   DeepBlade: <<<KingG>Fritz evaluates the King gambit to be a half pawn better for black.> Well, this is definitely a reason not to play it then.>> I am sure Spassky and Bronstein agree with you two.
May-23-07
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  WarmasterKron: <Fritz evaluates the King gambit to be a half pawn better for black.>

White gambits a pawn with no easy way to get it back, and Black is only half a pawn better? Sounds like a great advertisement for the King's Gambit to me.

Jul-06-07   sanyas: 3.Qh5 is a beginner's move, though the play in this game was not much better.
Sep-11-07   sanyas: He should have played 5...Bb4, of course. Other errors were 7...c6 (7...c5); 9...Ne8 (9...Nfd7); 10...f6 (10...Be6); 11...fxe5 (11...Be6); and 17...Nc7 (17...g6). 19...d4 was the losing error, he should play 19...h5 and 20...b5.
Sep-11-07   sanyas: Actually, if 19...h5 then 20.f5 gxf5 21.Qg5+. So perhaps first 19...Kh8, 20...Qg8! and only then ...b5.
Sep-19-07
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  nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.25.

Philidor 15 mistakes:
6.Nc3 -0.18 (6.e5 0.43)
7.Nge2 -0.43 (7.e5 0.72)
8.Bd3 0.18 (8.e5 0.56)
10.Be3 0.43 (10.Qc2 0.72)
13.Nf4 0.07 (13.0-0 0.57)
15.0-0 0.02 (15.Nxe6 0.42)
19.h3 0.21 (19.f5 0.64)
21.b3 1.42 (21.Nd6 3.12)
22.g4 0.83 (22.Nd6 2.94)
24.Rxe3 -0.71 (24.Rf2 0.52)
26.Re1 -1.39 (26.Ne2 -0.96)
28.f5 -2.62 (28.Qxg6+ 0.00)
33.Bd3 -0.30 (33.Be2 0.00)
34.Bf5 0.07 (34.Nh5 5.65)
36.Bg4 -0.11 (36.Kh1 0.80)

NN 16 mistakes:
6...0-0 0.72 (6...Nxe4 -0.18)
7...c6 0.56 (7...Nxe4 -0.43)
8...d5 0.70 (8...d6 0.18)
12...Be6 0.57 (12...Bxe3 0.18)
13...Qe7 0.37 (13...Nc7 0.07)
15...Nd7 0.34 (15...Qg5 0.02)
19...d4 1.11 (19...Qe7 0.21)
20...h6 3.12 (20...b5 0.99)
21...b5 2.94 (21...Nd5 1.42)
26...Qxb3 0.00 (26...Rb2 -1.39)
28...gxf5 -1.16 (28...Qb3 -2.42)
29...Qd5 -0.62 (29...Qf7 -1.13)
31...Nb6 0.00 (31...Nc5 -0.46)
33...Kf7 5.65 (33...Rb3 -0.30)
34...Nc4 0.78 (34...Rg8 0.07)
36...Nd2 4.40 (36...Rb6 -0.11)

Oct-09-07   wolfmaster: Was Philidor great?
Oct-11-07
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  nimh: Correction, new threshold 0.33.

Philidor 13 mistakes:
6.Nc3 -0.18 (6.e5 0.43)
7.Nge2 -0.43 (7.e5 0.72)
8.Bd3 0.18 (8.e5 0.56)
13.Nf4 0.07 (13.0-0 0.57)
15.0-0 0.02 (15.Nxe6 0.42)
19.h3 0.21 (19.f5 0.64)
21.b3 1.42 (21.Nd6 3.12)
22.g4 0.83 (22.Nd6 2.94)
24.Rxe3 -0.71 (24.Rf2 0.52)
26.Re1 -1.39 (26.Ne2 -0.96)
28.f5 -2.62 (28.Qxg6+ 0.00)
34.Bf5 0.07 (34.Nh5 5.65)
36.Bg4 -0.11 (36.Kh1 0.80)

NN 14 mistakes:
6...0-0 0.72 (6...Nxe4 -0.18)
7...c6 0.56 (7...Nxe4 -0.43)
8...d5 0.70 (8...d6 0.18)
12...Be6 0.57 (12...Bxe3 0.18)
19...d4 1.11 (19...Qe7 0.21)
20...h6 3.12 (20...b5 0.99)
21...b5 2.94 (21...Nd5 1.42)
26...Qxb3 0.00 (26...Rb2 -1.39)
28...gxf5 -1.16 (28...Qb3 -2.42)
29...Qd5 -0.62 (29...Qf7 -1.13)
31...Nb6 0.00 (31...Nc5 -0.46)
33...Kf7 5.65 (33...Rb3 -0.30)
34...Nc4 0.78 (34...Rg8 0.07)
36...Nd2 4.40 (36...Rb6 -0.11)

Jan-28-08   wolfmaster: Fantastic pun!
Mar-23-08   akjaj: This is the first game analysed in Philidors book "L'analyse des echecs. Conenant une nouvelle méthode pour apprendre en peu tems à se perfectionner dans ce noble jeu" from 1749.
Sep-16-08
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  just a kid: I got a 73 on G-T-M!
Jan-25-09   WhiteRook48: if the analysis is correct, this game had a lot of mistakes!
Feb-14-09   WhiteRook48: this is how all chess stories begin
Feb-20-09   WhiteRook48: the story begins, once a pawn a time, Philidor played 1. e4.
Feb-23-09   WhiteRook48: and then, once a pawn a time, black played 1...e5
Feb-24-09   WhiteRook48: what could you expect from NN?!
May-25-09   tibone: 24. Rf2 g5 25.Bf5 Qd5 26.Bxd7 gxf4 27.Nh5 Qxd7 28.Nf6+ Rxf6 29. exf6 Qd6 is an interesting line here
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