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| Jul-06-07 | | sanyas: 3.Qh5 is a beginner's move, though the play in this game was not much better. |
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| Sep-11-07 | | sanyas: He should have played 5...♗b4, of course. Other errors were 7...c6 (7...c5); 9...♘e8 (9...♘fd7); 10...f6 (10...♗e6); 11...fxe5 (11...♗e6); and 17...♘c7 (17...g6). 19...d4 was the losing error, he should play 19...h5 and 20...b5. |
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| Sep-11-07 | | sanyas: Actually, if 19...h5 then 20.f5 gxf5 21.♕g5+. So perhaps first 19...♔h8, 20...♕g8! and only then ...b5. |
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| Sep-19-07 | | nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.25. Philidor 15 mistakes:
6.Nc3 -0.18 (6.e5 0.43)
7.Nge2 -0.43 (7.e5 0.72)
8.Bd3 0.18 (8.e5 0.56)
10.Be3 0.43 (10.Qc2 0.72)
13.Nf4 0.07 (13.0-0 0.57)
15.0-0 0.02 (15.Nxe6 0.42)
19.h3 0.21 (19.f5 0.64)
21.b3 1.42 (21.Nd6 3.12)
22.g4 0.83 (22.Nd6 2.94)
24.Rxe3 -0.71 (24.Rf2 0.52)
26.Re1 -1.39 (26.Ne2 -0.96)
28.f5 -2.62 (28.Qxg6+ 0.00)
33.Bd3 -0.30 (33.Be2 0.00)
34.Bf5 0.07 (34.Nh5 5.65)
36.Bg4 -0.11 (36.Kh1 0.80)
NN 16 mistakes:
6...0-0 0.72 (6...Nxe4 -0.18)
7...c6 0.56 (7...Nxe4 -0.43)
8...d5 0.70 (8...d6 0.18)
12...Be6 0.57 (12...Bxe3 0.18)
13...Qe7 0.37 (13...Nc7 0.07)
15...Nd7 0.34 (15...Qg5 0.02)
19...d4 1.11 (19...Qe7 0.21)
20...h6 3.12 (20...b5 0.99)
21...b5 2.94 (21...Nd5 1.42)
26...Qxb3 0.00 (26...Rb2 -1.39)
28...gxf5 -1.16 (28...Qb3 -2.42)
29...Qd5 -0.62 (29...Qf7 -1.13)
31...Nb6 0.00 (31...Nc5 -0.46)
33...Kf7 5.65 (33...Rb3 -0.30)
34...Nc4 0.78 (34...Rg8 0.07)
36...Nd2 4.40 (36...Rb6 -0.11)
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| Oct-09-07 | | wolfmaster: Was Philidor great? |
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| Oct-11-07 | | nimh: Correction, new threshold 0.33.
Philidor 13 mistakes:
6.Nc3 -0.18 (6.e5 0.43)
7.Nge2 -0.43 (7.e5 0.72)
8.Bd3 0.18 (8.e5 0.56)
13.Nf4 0.07 (13.0-0 0.57)
15.0-0 0.02 (15.Nxe6 0.42)
19.h3 0.21 (19.f5 0.64)
21.b3 1.42 (21.Nd6 3.12)
22.g4 0.83 (22.Nd6 2.94)
24.Rxe3 -0.71 (24.Rf2 0.52)
26.Re1 -1.39 (26.Ne2 -0.96)
28.f5 -2.62 (28.Qxg6+ 0.00)
34.Bf5 0.07 (34.Nh5 5.65)
36.Bg4 -0.11 (36.Kh1 0.80)
NN 14 mistakes:
6...0-0 0.72 (6...Nxe4 -0.18)
7...c6 0.56 (7...Nxe4 -0.43)
8...d5 0.70 (8...d6 0.18)
12...Be6 0.57 (12...Bxe3 0.18)
19...d4 1.11 (19...Qe7 0.21)
20...h6 3.12 (20...b5 0.99)
21...b5 2.94 (21...Nd5 1.42)
26...Qxb3 0.00 (26...Rb2 -1.39)
28...gxf5 -1.16 (28...Qb3 -2.42)
29...Qd5 -0.62 (29...Qf7 -1.13)
31...Nb6 0.00 (31...Nc5 -0.46)
33...Kf7 5.65 (33...Rb3 -0.30)
34...Nc4 0.78 (34...Rg8 0.07)
36...Nd2 4.40 (36...Rb6 -0.11)
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| Jan-28-08 | | wolfmaster: Fantastic pun! |
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| Mar-23-08 | | akjaj: This is the first game analysed in Philidors book "L'analyse des echecs. Conenant une nouvelle méthode pour apprendre en peu tems à se perfectionner dans ce noble jeu" from 1749. |
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| Sep-16-08 | | just a kid: I got a 73 on G-T-M! |
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| Jan-25-09 | | WhiteRook48: if the analysis is correct, this game had a lot of mistakes! |
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| Feb-14-09 | | WhiteRook48: this is how all chess stories begin |
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| Feb-20-09 | | WhiteRook48: the story begins, once a pawn a time, Philidor played 1. e4. |
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| Feb-23-09 | | WhiteRook48: and then, once a pawn a time, black played 1...e5 |
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| Feb-24-09 | | WhiteRook48: what could you expect from NN?! |
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| May-25-09 | | tibone: 24. Rf2 g5 25.Bf5 Qd5 26.Bxd7 gxf4 27.Nh5 Qxd7 28.Nf6+ Rxf6 29. exf6 Qd6 is an interesting line here |
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| Apr-17-10 | | SamAtoms1980: <Given 171 times; par: 64; your score: 98> Read it and weep.
After collapsing down the stretch of Guess-the-Move: Beliavsky vs Anand, 1991, this game gave me the perfect opportunity to redeem myself. If Philidor were around today he would probably be good enough to be the best player in a small town. Nowadays the level of play in games like this one could be replicated by talented amateurs, whereas modern games between GM's pretty much go completely over my head. |
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| Jul-27-10 | | donehung: white had no business winning this game lol |
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| Jul-27-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Philidor vs NN, 1749.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF PHILIDOR.
Your score: 78 (par = 64)
LTJ |
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| Oct-22-14 | | Ke2: Philidor is famous for showing principles and he has some brilliancies but the level of play here was miserable. For instance, 36... Rb6 should hold instead of 36... Nd2. The well-planned breakthrough 28. f5 actually gets completely crushed by 28... Qb3. |
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Sep-25-15
 | | jnpope: Instructional game given by Philidor in <Analyse du jeu des Échecs>, 1750, pp1-8. Philidor does not identify either player. |
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| Oct-04-15 | | The Kings Domain: The father of modern chess. |
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| Apr-08-16 | | juanhernandez: good game !!! |
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| Jan-06-23 | | generror: It's a bit depressing to analyze this game with Stockfish and to see how many of Philidor's moves would be considered not just inaccurate, but even downright blunders. His rook sacrifice <24.Rxe3?> is unsound, and <28.Re1?> and even more <28.f5??> would have given Black a strong and maybe even winning counterplay on the queenside -- after all, he has a pack of pawns there just waiting to get rolling. According to Stockfish, White's advantage is minimal, and after <34.Bf5?>, the game is even totally even. It's only after the decisive blunder <36...Nd2??> that Philidor is actually winning. Of course, this is the 18th century, and even though I love to use Stockfish to see how badly those early masters played, I'm fully aware that I'm just another patzer who will never really be good at this wonderful game, that I'm just fortunate to having 350 more years of collective chess experience, I don't mean to lessen their accomplishments. This game shows that Philidor definitively cared for his pawns, and even if he hadn't yet fully captured all the fine points of pawn structures, that gave him a big edge over his contemporaries and fueled a more careful and positional play instead of the earlier Italian school. Plus, this is maybe the earliest "real" game and not just a miniature exploiting some opening blunder, so it definitively earns is status as one of the most classic chess games ever played. But it also shows how much chess has evolved in the past 350 years, and I doubt that Philidor would even reach master level today. But again, that's just a random happy internet patzer's view :) |
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Oct-04-24
 | | Freelance Assassin: 19...d4? is almost like willingly opening your gate to the enemy Knight. But since even someone like Philidor failed to play 21. Nd6! and 22. Nd6! consecutively, I wonder if they understood the full power of putting a Knight on the sixth rank back in 1749. |
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| Jan-23-25 | | FM David H. Levin: I've been creating a PGN file (including the notes) for the 1790 English edition of Philidor's book (which I downloaded as a PDF from Google Books dot com). Should I submit the notes, to this website? If so, through what mechanism? Also, Philidor's book includes numerous "back games" (that is, offshoots of the stem game) with few or no comments. Should I submit these? If so, should this be done as kibitzes to the main game in question? (I posted these questions on this page because its game score is the first in the above-mentioned edition of Philidor's book.) |
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