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X3D Fritz (Computer) vs Garry Kasparov
Man - Machine World Chess Championship (2003), New York Athletic Club, Manhattan, rd 4, Nov-18
Queen's Gambit Accepted: Classical Defense. Main Lines (D27)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-18-03  billikid: <panigma> nice to see someone with some normal thinkin and gone straight to the obvious propaganda of this whole circus match. it only shows that if u aint got it , u aint got it.too much analysis won't get you anywhere coz the more you yak about,the more clues you're givin out on your swallow mind. just like someone in here with a debilitating disease who keeps biting its way out of its stinkin hole.all those yapin about had all but gone back to their swollen tongues..
Nov-19-03  Bastrikov: No doubt Fischer would find a way to thrash a computer
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Chalk it-up as win for humanity and the further advancement of the royal game of chess. Yes, it would have been great to see Kasparov slinging rooks and sacrificing the queen in daring attack against the cold menacing machine for a dramatic win in the final game. However reality sets in and we have to settle for nice quiet draw. The Bigger picture here is the advancement of the royal game of chess. Kasparov like no other since the likes of Robert J. Fischer has elevated the game and captured the attention of non chess players across the world with his Man Vs Machine encounters.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: What was really was at stake here?
Computer can already defeat 99% of all chess players so why is this match and other like it so captivating? As humans, we rejoice in defying the odds. The fact that computer can evaluate millions of positions per second, has access to opening and closing book data bases while playing and still canít defeat the best human players is incredible! Thatís the fascination part. However there is much more at stake. Itís in the interest of all parties involved for Man to perform well in these encounters. Man Vs Machine is a marketable product that sells!
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Unlike the match with IBM Deep Blue, Chess Base the owner of the program Fritz has a vested interest in the game of chess whereas IBM did not. IBM immediately capitalizes of its defeat of Kasparov to rake in revenue. IBM had no further interest and abandoned it venture into chess. The corporation did not care about the game and return its attention to computers development. Kasparov went into a depression and the game of chess went into a tailspin.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: However Chess Base as the name implies is rooted in the royal game. Their consumers are chess players and chess enthusiast. Contrary to popular belief, computer chess programmers fear the day when computers finally cross the 100% threshold because their work will finally be done. There will be no more televised Man Vs Machine matches because it will pointless and chess will return to the parks, churches, and out of the lime light. Chess Base is in a delicate position. Fritz is a training tool for professional chess player and armatures alike. Chess Base and other computer chess companies try to produce the strongest most economical product available and they hope humanity can keep-up. Its safe to that at the moment computers and the worldís best player are happily co-existing because the sad truth is nobody wants to see Fritz Vs Junior on ESPN2.
Nov-19-03  tinashawn49: Where does chess go from here?
The Chess world needs another captivating figure to rival Gary Kasparov not only at the board but in the media. Kasparov is the only giant out there. It no longer matters that Kramnik defeated Kasparov three years ago because Kasparov is hailed as champion in the media's eyes. Kramnik without even defending his title is a failed champion. He has done very little to advance or popularized the game of chess. Great games need great rivalry someone needs to reinvent themselves and step up to the plate and get out there! Kasporov has been carrying the burden for too long. I donít blame FIDE for over looking Kramink in the world championship. Itís a matter of economics. Kasparov sell! Kasparov can get sponsor!
Nov-19-03  PinkPanther: <No doubt Fischer would find a way to thrash a computer>

Dude, do us all a favor and be quiet. Fischer is my favorite player of all time, but still, don't go make ludicrious claims like that. And if you are gonna make ludicrious claims, at least name yourself after a better opening.

Nov-19-03
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  technical draw: I have just invented a machine that can hurl a baseball straight down the plate at 200 miles an hour. I challenge Barry Bonds to try to hit a homerun off it. Do you think ESPN will carry the event? Let's not get carried away with this man vs. machine hype.
Nov-19-03  tud: In my opinion as chess fun and software engineer computers are better than humans as of now. The algorithm can be adaptive and draw a match or a game. Neither chess nor chess machines would benefit from a machine victory.
Nov-19-03  darkawakenings: I don't think that chess programming will be complete once that chess is 'solved'. There can still be a beter and faster chess algorithm to play chess. What happens when there is no opening book, and two computers are playing on a 1 Ghz processor with 128 mb ram? You can't just use the solution, your machine would have to figure it out every game.
Nov-19-03  damsel: When Gary K. offered X3D F. a draw,as reported, what or whom accepted the offer and why? damsel .
Nov-20-03  shadowmaster: Damsel, the programming team for Fritz accepted the draw. The reason was that it was going to be draw by repetition: 28.Qd3+ Kh8 29.Qd8+ Kh7 30.Qd3+ Kh7 and so on.
Nov-20-03  damsel: Shadowmaster, Thanks I guess nobody is going to force Kasparov to illustrate a perpetual, but what if the position is murky, bordering on slightly better for Fritz? Do the programmers then get into a squable if they don't agree ??
Nov-21-03
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  jaime gallegos: Chess fans obviously want to see more Human-Computer matches but programmers have advantage because they are improving day by day their machines or. By the way according to Chessbase.com computers are not beating humans when they are the top 20!
Nov-22-03  Fisto: technical draw, that machine has been around for a long time, do you have any other skills?

Chess is a game about thinking. Do you think that there might be a bigger picture here?

Nov-22-03
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  technical draw: <Fisto> That bit about the machine that hurls a baseball at 200 mph is just a bit of sarcasm. As far as other skills, I can play the violin.
Dec-06-03  bamanator69: fish can still beat garry.its already proven look how kas plays against fritz very passive.garry says its too stressful too play against something that isnt has nervous as he is.no emotion.tahts fischer.like a computer.but you will never see it because there isnt enough money in the world too house both of their egos.
Dec-06-03  youngplayer11: d4 worked better for fritz than e4 did!at least in the opening.the position he gets in this game is more open and tactical than in game 2
Jul-30-04  crenshawjohn: Bobby Fischer = Chessmaster 1000
Aug-09-04  who: People are yelling that both Kasparov and Deep Fritz wanted a draw. The commentary on the game (which I don't have the site for offhand) points to a blitz match between Kramnik and Kasparov with the same opening where Kasparov sacked a queen (for some material) and won. It seems the makers of Deep Fritz were hoping Kasparov would enter the same line (I guess they thought that Kramnik missed a win somewhere). Kasparov also entered the line (seeing as he had success with it before), but when he saw that the computer was moving immediately through move 13 (which meant this had been preprogrammed) he realized that the programmers of Deep Fritz must have found a mistake in his queen sac play. He therefore had no choice but to opt out of that opening and play for the draw.
Jan-12-06  LIFE Master AJ: If you would like to see this game annotated, (http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/human_...).

Jul-15-06  MagnaPsygnosis: <bastrikov>
I like fischer... he is an ideal to aimed at in terms of the correct perspective of "Good Sportmanship"... but he will be bashed like a sack of potatoes against Deep Fritz 8.
Aug-22-08  PinnedPiece: <LIFE Master AJ: If you would like to see this game annotated,>

Enjoyed your annotation. Why the disparity in move order?

Couldn't you notify Chessgames.com of the video record you obtained your move order from? And ask them to correct this fascinating game?

Apr-13-09  WhiteRook48: 28 Qd3+
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