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Carl Theodor Goering vs Emil Schallopp
Leipzig 1877  ·  Philidor Defense: Philidor Countergambit (C41)  ·  0-1


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Jul-14-04   drcdwil: I thought the Monday ones were supposed to be the easy ones! This one plays itself!
Jul-14-04
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  cu8sfan: Very nice! I got it very quickly and think it's fairly easy.
Jul-14-04
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  iron maiden: It may be easy to find if you're told it's a puzzle, but it's much harder to see if you're actually playing the game (hence the blunder 16. Qb5??). A good example of the basic principle of taking nothing for granted in chess.
Jul-14-04   northernsoul: well said, iron maiden
Jul-14-04   themindset: fairly easy, but definitely harder than your average monday puzzle as it is a mate in 4 rather than 2.
Jul-14-04   themindset: now, why is 7.Nf7 bad? my fritz opening book gives it a ? with 7...Qf6 as the refutation and no other analysis afterwards - but it seems to me that after 8.Be3 white is up the exchange with a comfortable position.

if there are any strong players who can explain this to me (honza, keene?) i'd really appreciate it, because i don't get it.

Jul-14-04
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  acirce: The Fritz opening book isn't trustworthy in those matters, look at the position after 3.Bb5 in Ruy, I think it gives a ? to every move except ..a6, I'm not at home and cannot check but I seem to recall that. I clearly remember the absurd ? given to 3..Nf6 anyway.
Jul-14-04   Cyphelium: <themindset> After 8. Be3, black's best is probably 8.- d4. Then 9. Bc1 gives black all the compensation he'll ever need after 9.- Bxe6 10. Nxh8 Nd7 followed by castling long, while on 9. Bg5 Qf5 white cannot take on h8 due to Qxg5.
Jul-14-04   Dimitar Panayotov: Last three games - Queen sacrifice, please change to something else.
Jul-14-04   ka101: Definitly a nice back-rank mate setup. Very Good!
Jul-14-04
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  ChessPraxis: The slightly trickier move was the followup 17. ... Bf4+.
Jul-14-04   GoodChessClub: Those ?'s are given to avoid the comp to play those certain lines.
Jul-14-04
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  ChessPraxis: I like the way these guys used to play the game out to checkmate in pretty circumstances like this.
Jul-14-04   ruylopez900: Excellent, I solved it out within seconds, quite a pretty mate. As I went along I kept thinking, oh darn I missed something, then just realizing how to go on. great puzzle, really.
Jul-14-04   Nomen Nescio: A good lesson for beginners.
Jul-14-04
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  kevin86: 17...Bf4+ is the key to this one-white must submit the bishop into a pin-or lose it! The pin then makes the e1 square unprotected-and the mate is on!
Jul-14-04
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  ChessPraxis: <kevin86> Even if White chooses to lose the Bishop he still gets mated: 17. ... Bf4+ 18. Kb1 Rxe1+ 19. Nd1 Rxd1# White gets mated no matter how he replies.
Jul-14-04
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  kevin86: <ChessPraxis> What I meant is that white had a Hobson's choice-Either he could leave the bishop and be mated--or interpose the bishop,and render it useless.Either way,the Grim Reaper is waiting.
Jul-14-04   ka101: What about white 16Q-e5+. True a Q for Q response, but does allow for some manuevering on white rather than the mate? Just curious.
Jul-14-04
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  kevin86: <ka101> I think you mean 16 Qe6+,black would simply take with his bishop 16...Bxe6.
Jul-14-04   themindset: i left my fritzy on the position after 7.Nf7 Qf6 for 15 hours, at a depth of 24 moves:

1. ± (0.94): 8.Be3 Bxe3 9.fxe3 Bxe6 10.Nxh8 Ne7 11.c4 Qxb2 12.Nd2 g6 13.cxd5 2. = (0.16): 8.Qe2 Bxe6 9.Nxh8 Nc6 10.Nd2 0-0-0 11.Nb3 Bd6 12.f3 Nge7 13.fxe4 3. = (0.07): 8.Qd2 Bxe6 9.Nxh8 Nc6 10.Bb5 Nge7

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