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|May-16-12|| ||Diademas: Seems like Goering fared no better at the chess table, than he did with the Luftwaffe.|
|May-16-12|| ||Memethecat: 16...Qxe1+ 17Bxe1 Bf4+ perspicuous from here.|
|May-16-12|| ||James D Flynn: The Black Q is under attack. If it moves (to F8 for instance) 17.Rxe8+ Nxe8 18.Qxd5+ Kg7(orh8) 19.Qd4 wins the B on g4 therefore 17…..Qxe8 18.Qxe8+ Nxf6 19.Nxd5 and material is equal but White has a space advantage. However Black has a tactical resource:
16……Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ 18.Bd2 Re1+ 19.Nd1 Rxd1#|
|May-16-12|| ||sevenseaman: <morfishine> Wise counsel, thanks. I'll try and follow your example. I think <scormus> was saying the same thing, more or less.|
|May-16-12|| ||David2009: C T Goering vs E Schallopp, 1877 postscript: <sorokahdeen: What is wrong with playing 11. Nf7 instead of Nc3?>
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11.Nf7 can be met by 11...Nc6 and Black goes even further ahead in development. Here's an interactive link to Crafty End Game Trainer to explore the position:
11...Nc6 may be better than 11...Bd6 since if 12.Qe2 Nd4 wins the Pawn on e6 [move supplied by Crafty EGT].
|May-16-12|| ||rhickma4: This looks like a nice variation on the back rank mate.|
16...Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ (the key move) 18.Bd2 (or Kb1) Rd1+ wins.
|May-16-12|| ||gawain: In this position there aren't that many possibilities. Tried 16...Qxe1+ right away and then found 17...Bf4+ pretty quickly.|
|May-16-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Black was not doing well early in this game, but Qb5 was spectacularly refuted. (Yes, I got it, although I was initially stumped. I saw 16...QxR/e1+ almost instantly, but kept taking immediately on e1... but I did not come back to this move until I tried a few other things. 17...Bf4+! is a nice, sneaky sort of "in-between" move/check.)|
|May-16-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: I agree with an earlier commenter that this seemed a bit easy for a Wednesday. The back row weakness combined with the beautiful bishops practically screams for Qxe1+.|
|May-16-12|| ||David2009: Egg on my face today! White has a simple win of a Pawn at move 16:
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(White to play and win a Pawn). Interactive link to check: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
This diagram and link were given in my first post C T Goering vs E Schallopp, 1877 but I appraised the position completely wrongly as at least equal for Black.
|May-16-12|| ||kevin86: Very similar to yesterday's puzzle. This time black forced white to vacate a diagonal and then force him to occupy it AND to pin hs own piece in the process.|
|May-16-12|| ||mikmik777: Black to play:16. ...?
C T Goering vs E Schallopp
|May-16-12|| ||chrisowen: Emil plays you bg4 but Goering my sundry qb5 stands to win b7 right |
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|May-16-12|| ||Memethecat: <Diademas: Seems like Goering fared no better at the chess table, than he did with the Luftwaffe.> Politics aside, the other Goering did amazingly well, both as a pilot & in building the worlds strongest, most envied air force in history.|
|May-16-12|| ||Call Me TC: Are you sure the Luftwaffe, in say 1941, was stronger than the Soviet airforce?|
|May-16-12|| ||El Trueno: The solution must be
16...Qxe1+ 17.Bxe1 Bf4+ and the following move will be 18...Te1 :)
|May-16-12|| ||dzechiel: Black to move (16...?). Material even. "Medium/Easy."|
This is a text book use of a zwischenzug, an "in-between move". Black starts the combination with...
16...Qxe1+ 17 Bxe1
The only other legal move, 17 Nd1 allows a quick mate with 17...Rxd1#.
But now it's time for the zwischenzug. Instead of capturing on e1 with the rook and allowing the king some running room, black plays...
Now 18 Kb1 will allow 18...Rxe1+ 19 Nd1 Rxd1#. So, white wants to parry the check with...
And now black delivers the check on e1 that was deferred a move.
18...Re1+ 19 Nd1 Rxd1#
A very pretty combination.
|May-16-12|| ||moi: what was wrong with 6.Nf7 instead of Nxe4 ? after 6...Qf6 7.Qd2, white doesn't seem to have unsolvable problems for the quality he'll gain.|
|May-16-12|| ||bischopper: what was wrong with QxQ? and RxR?|
|May-16-12|| ||Shams: <bischopper><what was wrong with QxQ? and RxR?> |
Nothing. (Well, I slightly prefer Black due to the d5 pawn.) You may annotate 16...Qb5 with two question marks if you like.
|May-16-12|| ||TheBish: C T Goering vs E Schallopp, 1877|
Black to play (16...?) "Medium/Easy"
In keeping with the "queen sac week" theme (so far, anyway), I first attempted 16...Qxe1+ 17. Bxe1 Rxe1+ 18. Kd2, and found it lacking. Black has an improvement on move 17, however.
16...Qxe1+! 17. Bxe1 Bf4+!
A most important check, which Black would have to see before sacrificing the queen.
Or 18. Kb1 Rxe1+, leading to an elementary mate.
18...Re1+ 19. Nd1 Rxd1#.
Very nice finish, which demonstrates the power of the pin, as well as exploiting the weak back rank.
|May-16-12|| ||BadKnight: Bf4+ is the tricky move not to miss in the forcing sequence.|
|May-16-12|| ||savagerules: I hope Goering didn't bite into a cyanide capsule just as Black was about to checkmate him.|
|May-19-12|| ||solskytz: <savagerules> +1|
|May-22-12|| ||morfishine: Doesn't <16.f3> hold this position?|
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