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Itzchak Veinger vs Gennadi Timoshchenko
Seefeld op 9th 1998  ·  Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Dunne Attack (B20)  ·  0-1


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Jul-25-06   harcee sarmiento: easy.
Jul-25-06
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  jahhaj: Very easy, not many candidate moves, simple combination.
Jul-25-06   question marks: yeah, <Zivildiener>, in these of puzzles I first look for whatever gains initiative, no matter how risky it might be. Ususally that means sacing a piece.

We can't all play like Tal

Jul-25-06
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  jahhaj: <Ger7ry: Why doesn't Black play 29...Bxh4?> Well perhaps because 30.g5 trapping the bishop looks a little awkward.

But more probably Black knew that he'd destroy White if he opened up the position. He had bigger plans than a measly pawn grab.

Jul-25-06
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  greensfield: got this one. Noticed that f3 pawn was weak and that the rook on h1 could be won. continuation?
31... Bxf3+
32. Kxf3 Qc6+
33. Kg3 Qxh1
34. gxf5 gxf5
35. Bxf5 Bxh4+
36. Kg4 Rg8+
37. Kh5 Bf6+
38. Qh2 Qxh2+
39. Bh3 Qxh3#

Jul-25-06
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  OhioChessFan: Took maybe a minute. I was first drawn to the weakness on d3 and spent most my time trying to find an attack there. Once I looked at f3, it was pretty easy to see.
Jul-25-06
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  Peligroso Patzer: Is the player of the Black pieces in this game related to the Georgy Timoshenko who was on the losing side of last Wednesday's puzzle? Here is a link to that game, with the puzzle being the position after 17. ... Qc7: E Sharapov vs G Timoshenko, 1998

(Although there is a minor difference in the spellings of the two last names, I assume that could be due to inconsistent transliterations from the Cyrillic alphabet.)

Jul-25-06   JustAFish: Darn, I didn't get it... I played 32...Qb7+ . Oh well. :-)
Jul-25-06   Halldor: I first considered 31...Bxf3+ - but only in connection with some maneuver on the d-file, therefore I abandoned it and tried to find sth else. Then I saw that the rook at h1 was hanging and indirectly attacked by the bishop, so I tried moves as 31...fxg4. When I was about to give up I suddenly saw this simple pin...

Yes, I suppose it's an easy puzzle - once you've seen the pattern.

Jul-25-06   zb2cr: <Halldor>,
The technical name for this tactical theme isn't a pin, it's a "skewer" or "x-ray attack". A pin pins something down; a skewer sticks right through something.

Saw this one in perhaps 20 seconds; lots of things to look at!

Jul-25-06   Halldor: <zb2cr> Thanks! Although I've seen these terms countless times I didn't know about this difference.
Jul-25-06   Tariqov: <JustAFish>Same here,i thought of 31..Bxf3 32.Kxf3 and Qb7+, didn't see the above solution,Like they say "When you see a good move,wait!...don't play it,you might find a better one" :-)
Jul-25-06   pedrorib: That's interesting. I almost never see the results here looking for the moment quite before the 'great move', but when I see the development of the game, and stop it in the configuration of the challenge, I usually find the better move. Today is one example, 31. Rb3 leaves the other rook alone and opens space for the queen.
Jul-25-06   The17thPawn: Doesn't 32...Qb7+ accomplish the same thing as 32...Qc6+? I don't see a save for white either way.
Jul-25-06
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  Marmot PFL: The B should have stayed on g2, but white's game is ugly. Maybe he could have tried Spielman's gambit line - Spielmann vs Bogoljubov, 1932
Jul-25-06
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  Grampmaster: <The17thPawn> I agree that 32...Qb7 or Qc6 accomplish the same result.

<cyruslaihy> Your first look 31...f4 is also decisive and wild if my analysis is okay. 32.g5!? Bxf3+ 33.Kf2 fxe3+ 34.Kxe3 Bg4 35.Bxg4 Qd4+ 36.Kd2 Qxg4 37.gxf6 Qg2+ 38.Kc3 Qxh1 and the rook finally falls. A very exciting variation.

Jul-25-06   Fezzik: Someone said Itzhak Veinger is a GM. Is that true?

I love this sort of position far more than those mating ones. This feels more like a real game rather than something that Irving Chernev dug up. Yeah, I know the mating combos do happen. But winning material as in this game is far more common.

Jul-25-06
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  kevin86: Simple to carry out-hard to find.

An unusual application of fork and skewer gains black a rook and pawn for a bishop.

Jul-25-06   vibes43: As a beginner, it didn't take me long to spot the solution, knowing there was one to be found. However, I wouldn't have considered that possibility earlier in the game as I suspect Timoshchenko did. He definately wanted the white pawn off b5.
Jul-25-06
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  dzechiel: Took a few seconds once I decided that the rook on h1 was a real liability for white.
Jul-25-06   Fezzik: FYI: Gregory (Grigoriy) is a fairly common name in Russian (and Ukrainian). However, Gennadi isn't a common name in English. So it's possible that some translator arbitrarily changed his name.

Take a look at cg.com's two different spellings of today's player as White!

So the short answer is no.

There isn't a Gregory Timoschenko that I'm aware of. More to the point, I'm pretty sure that the game you cited was played by Gennadi, the same one here.

Jul-25-06
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  Marmot PFL: <Someone said Itzhak Veinger is a GM. Is that true?> His peak rating is 2410, and i thought you needed to be 2500 to get a GM title. There are some GMs around who basically bought their titles.
Jul-25-06   pawn52: Little bit tough for me today. It was a closed position, but I still managed to get it right, even down to the continuation(sp?). I noticed that the f3-pawn was weak and that the rook could be won, but I didn't see how. I saw Bxf3+ which was the wrong move, but I was looking for a move that covers the bishop when it strikes but at the same time, forces White to play into Black's hands. But who said the bishop had to be covered? The queen was within striking range of a safe square on the diagonal, so why not sac the bishop, force the king onto the same diagonal as the rook, and skewer the king? Like I said, little bit tough, but I'm getting better. I'm taking my time on these. I'm not after speed, but rather accuracy.
Jul-25-06   Tariqov: <17thpawn>There is a smile after my and <justafish>'s comment.It's a joke.:)
Aug-05-06
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  patzer2: Black prepares a winning skewer tactic with the sham sacrifice 31...Bxf3+!
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