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|Oct-03-04|| ||percyblakeney: One poster claimed that Leko had promised to win the fifth game immediately after the fourth, but I don't know if it's generally considered to be true... |
|Oct-03-04|| ||cu8sfan: Hasn't he said after every game (excluding game 1) that the match had really started now and that he was ready to strike back? |
|Oct-03-04|| ||percyblakeney: Yes, something like that, and it seems he was right... |
|Oct-03-04|| ||offramp: I saw this on a newsgroup, from Tom F:
Final position with underpromotion:
69.♔f7 ♗xf4 70.♖c6 ♔h5 71.♖xg6 ♗e3 72.♔f6 f4 73.♖g8 ♗d4+ 74.♔f5 ♔h6 75.♔xf4 ♗f2 76.♔g4 ♔h7 77.♖g5 ♔h6 78.f4 ♗e1 79.f5 ♔h7 80.f6 ♔h6 81.f7 ♗c3 <82.f8=♘> ♗e5 83.♖g6#
|Oct-03-04|| ||azaris: <offramp> Of course any other promotion works as well. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||offramp: What Leko said in the Press Conference after game 4 was this:|
"My cousin Sammy told me a true slugger - a Szeged slugger - will always swing for the fences, and that is exactly what I am going to do. I am going to knock Kramnik out of the room with my 'home run punch.' My trainer and I have been developing it in camp. I just hope Vladimir's head is screwed on tight or it may end up on top of the demonstration board!"
"I will knock Kramnik senseless. He is going down in game five. And he is going down HARD!"
Wise words, mate!
|Oct-03-04|| ||poktirity: Hehe Leko seems like a funny guy :)
BTW is this the most commented game ever?
|Oct-03-04|| ||acirce: Yes, see the "most kibitzed pages" on ChessGames.com Statistics Page - the first matchgame is #2. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||poktirity: <acirce> are you aiming on reaching 6000 kibitzes on todays game? ;) |
|Oct-03-04|| ||clocked: Kasparov's prediction of at least two wins has already come true |
|Oct-03-04|| ||ruylopez900: yes, this game has the most kibitzes, but it isn't the page w/ the most. the Cafe, Linares 2004, Ray Keene, Fischer, Carlsen and the FIDE WC Tourney all have more, but none are a game. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||patzer2: Really enjoyed this win by Leko. The move 46. Bd4! made me think he had winning chances and when he played 56. e6+! I wanted to jump up and cheer. Sort of reminded me of the movie Major League when the Cleveland Indian baseball team pulled off an upset to win the series and all their fans were jumping up and singing "Wild Thing" by the Troggs. A tame version of the song "Wild Thing" by Kermit the Frog can be found at http://www.internoodle.com/Kermit/I... |
|Oct-03-04|| ||Karpova: This endgame is drawn.
Kramnik's mistake was 62....bg3?? (be1! and white can't win) according to GM Yusupov
|Oct-03-04|| ||patzer2: <Karpova> Do you have a link to Yusupov's analysis of 62...Be1? I'm probably missing something obvious, but I don't see how 62...Be1 (versus 62...Bg3) makes a difference in keeping White from picking off the g6 and f5 pawns with a won position. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||cu8sfan: Why didn't he simply play 48.♗xf2? |
|Oct-03-04|| ||patzer2: <cu8sfan> 48...Bxf2?? 49. e6+! |
|Oct-03-04|| ||DrDave: <1.> thanks for the quote <offramp>: do you have a source for that, or were you there?!
<2.> <gypsy> and <cu8sfan>, thanks for your kind comments, sorry I've not given it more time in recent years
<3.> Back to the game: I don't know which individual moves Kramnik got wrong -- I know <ray keene> is inclined to point the finger at 64...h4 -- but wasn't the point made by <acirce> that to draw Black plonks his B on the long diagonal? Was that plan no longer applicable with h4 still available to the White compared with the theory 'fortress' position? |
|Oct-03-04|| ||cu8sfan: <patzer2> O I see, 48..♗xf2 49.e6+ Bxd4 50.e7 and the pawn can't be stopped. Thanks! |
|Oct-03-04|| ||DrDave: <Q:><patzer2>: <Karpova> Do you have a link to Yusupov's analysis of 62...Be1? I'm probably missing something obvious, but I don't see how 62...Be1 (versus 62...Bg3) makes a difference in keeping White from picking off the g6 and f5 pawns with a won position. <A:>
<acirce> posted the theory draw from "Dvoretsky" (although I think he got it from Averbakh) -- if the Bishop comes to the long diagonal Black has a fortress. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||Rowson: 55.Bh4?? is that the losing move? |
|Oct-03-04|| ||tamar: <DrDave> ...Bh4 allows a zugzwang with Ke6 and rook on the 8th rank. No bishop moves, black king must go to h7 or h6, then White plays Kf7 as in the game. <acirce> said something like "the win is the same", but it didn't kick in for me until I thought about it today. If somehow the bishop could make it to the long diagonal, it would be a draw because the bishop could tempo as well.
I don't see how that is possible though in any game position. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||DrDave: hi <tamar>, Yusupov's 61...Be1 gets the Bishop on the a1-h8 diagonal, the long way round, right? But it didn't look like Kramnik was trying to get his bishop to the right diagonal at all. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||mack: Blimey, I can't believe Leko won this. Last I saw of this game (in the London Chess & Bridge Shop) it was heading for a dead draw... this is some World Championship now! |
|Oct-03-04|| ||tamar: <But it didn't look like Kramnik was trying to get his bishop to the right diagonal at all.> Hello. That is the question, it puzzles me too. Kramnik misses very little, so I am more inclined to believe there was never an opportunity to post on the long diagonal. On 52...Be1 or 54...Be1 the rook was on the c file covering c3 , so
the bishop is all dressed up with no where to go. Like to see Yusupov's thoughts if anyone has access to them. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||DrDave: oops, I shouldn't have tried to make that comment without checking the board, <tamar> -- I can't see the Bishop getting around to c3 or d4 in any lines -- so likely as you say there was never a chance. Yusupov was commenting live by audio during the game, maybe the analysis didn't stretch further than 62...Be1 ... |
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