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John Cochrane vs The Turk (Automaton)
"Carving the Turk" (game of the day Nov-27-08)
London (1820)  ·  Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0
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Kibitzer's Corner
Feb-10-06  psmith: <McCool>
Notice that at the top of the page it says "chess variants"? This is what is called "odds of pawn and move."
Feb-21-06  Gregorio Bikassy: Morphy was better!
Jun-28-06  joe barnett: lol i came on here because it was an analyzed game,, what do i get? "white wins". brilliant.
Dec-08-06  Holmstrom: Deep Fritz > The Turk
Nov-15-07  Thecheckmater: Same with Fritz9,anyway notice black begins a pawn down?
Feb-09-08  wolfmaster: So Cochrane is better than Mouret, but worse than McDonnell and Staunton.
Nov-27-08
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  Once: The problem with games by the Turk (and other automata) is that we don't really know who was playing. Black's play here doesn't really impress, but this may have been a day when the regular operator was not available.
Nov-27-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Bishoprick: Whoever the "operator" was, he must have been small and uncomfortable.
Nov-27-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: How did the guy inside the cabinet see the board?
Nov-27-08  BISHOP TAL: IF I remeber right from the book it was magnitzed so the player could see what went where, then he had a second board below he played by candle light and trasfered the move to that board it was uncomfortable so is the person only stuck it out an hour or so usaully 1 slow game at a time but the man diddnt have to be that small it well built so he could hide himself.
Nov-27-08  BISHOP TAL: typo thats remember right, and happy turkey day for all u americans out there
Nov-27-08  BISHOP TAL: ya know what else was cool is that the guy had noisemaker to make it sound like machinery on the inside if the player had to cough or sneeze to cover it up but i think the noisemaker was on the outside and the second man would turn that but how would the man on the outside know the man on the inside had to cough at that time so maybe it was inside and out could sombody clarify that.
Nov-28-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: In GODFATHER,Solozzo was the Turk-he got whacked by Michael in a favorite scene of mine (and Tony Soprano).

Here,the Turk was a "computer". Really,it had a man inside.

Dec-11-08  WhiteRook48: The Turk was not a true computer, though.
Jan-02-09  WhiteRook48: The turk's play seems like a machine. I mean, what human randomly moves pawn like these in the opening??
Jan-04-09  WhiteRook48: this was some not-thoughtful annotation,
only
"the turk was believed to be operated by Mouret"
and "white wins"
THAT'S ALL? FOR ANNOTATION?
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: 29. Rc8!! the Cochrane pin wins
Jan-19-09  WhiteRook48: it would be worse if the Q was on b8 in the final position.
Mar-27-09  TheTamale: Most ridiculous of all is that Mouret wasn't even Turkish.

I own a chess book in which the author gives Black's second move a double question mark.

Aug-11-10  Lil Swine: he totally tipped the turk to toronto on tuesday
Jun-07-12  SBC: .

<The problem with games by the Turk (and other automata) is that we don't really know who was playing. >

Yes we do. It was Mouret.

<Whoever the "operator" was, he must have been small and uncomfortable.>

He might have been uncomfortable, but not necessarily small. Schlumberger, who operated the Turk years and years in America was over 6 feet tall.

Nov-26-12  fokers13: 24..Rd8 possibly followed by Qd6 seems at the very least more reliable.
Aug-10-14
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  offramp: There were actually three rooms inside the Turk. There was a reception room where visitors waited to be shown around. This led to a library area where the player and any of his quests could read books or enjoy a Manhattan. Then there was the much smaller room where the operator had to sit in order to operate The Turk.
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