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| Apr-25-06 | | CapablancaFan: <tacite> <And why not 13... Be6?> Because if 13...Be6 14.Qh4!<Threatening 15.Qg3+(mate in 2) and Rad1 at the same time.> |
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| Apr-25-06 | | Peter Reeve: But what about 14.Qh4 Bd6, Capa?
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| Apr-25-06 | | CapablancaFan: <Peter Reeve><But what about 14.Qh4 Bd6> Simple, pawn 15. f4!and the threat of mate in 2(16.Qg3+) remains.If 15...Qd4+ is of little consequence 16.Kh1 and the above line is still in effect. |
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| Apr-25-06 | | SJP: <Peter>
I believe 14...Bd6 allows mate in at most 7, with best (or most stubborn?) defence: 15. Nd5 Bxh2+ 16. Kf1 Bf4 17. Qxf4 Qxd5 18. Qxf6 Qxg2+ 19. Kxg2 Bh3+ 20. Kxh3 and 21. Qg7#Can anyone suggest why Black did not play 12...Bxh6 ? |
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| Apr-25-06 | | Peter Reeve: OK Capa, you've convinced me on that. Now what about 13...Be6 14.Qh4 BxB
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| Apr-25-06 | | CapablancaFan: <Peter Reeve> <OK Capa, you've convinced me on that. Now what about 13...Be6 14.Qh4 BxB ?> Simple,then an easy continuation occurs 15.Qxh6 making a bad situation worse for black. Notice after 15.Qxh6 the black king is immobile and cant get out not to mention the rook on h8. Then there are too many ways to mate. White can play Re3 to Rg3++ or Ne4 to Nxg6++. Go ahead check all the lines black would not be able to defend against both threats. |
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| Apr-25-06 | | zev22407: Was 8)..K-f8 the loosing move? |
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| Apr-25-06 | | Atking: Zev22407 8. ...Kf8 may have been not the best... SJP 12. ...BxBh6 Right ! 13.NxNc6 QxQd1 14.Ne7+ Kg7 15.RaxQd1. One can dream an help mate with both rooks on f8 and h8 and Ne4-g3-h5... but the position is only a bit on favor to White. For what I can see. |
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| Apr-25-06 | | notsodeepthought: <blackjacki2: not as funny as A-ward winning game, but nice try :)> Well, I (too) have to play with the cards I'm dealt with. |
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Apr-25-06
 | | al wazir: <SJP: Can anyone suggest why Black did not play 12...Bxh6 ?> 13. Qxh6, and the threats of Re3 followed by Rg3+ and Nd5/Ne4 followed by Nf6+ or Ne7+ look strong for white. In some variations white plays Rad1 to support the  and drive the black  off the file. If 13...Qf8 then 14. Qxf6 Bg6 15. Nd5 Qg7 16. Ne7+ Kf8 17. Nxg6+ hxg6 18. Qxg7+ Kxg7 19. Re7 Rac8 20 Rae1 with a probably winning endgame. But I guess that's better than letting your trapped  get mated by a  and |
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| Apr-25-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Great miniature! I especially liked the part 8.Bg5! gxf6? 9.Bh6+!, those were very fine strategic moves! |
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| Apr-25-06 | | Chicago Chess Man: <al wazir>: How could white play 13 Qxh6? The queen is still on the D1 square. I'm still baffled as to why black wouldn't have played 12 ... BxB. |
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| Apr-25-06 | | tacite: Thanks CapablancaFan. |
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Apr-25-06
 | | kevin86: I'm not a doctor,but I would recommend a 325 mg tablet of aspirin for Mr.Bayer-after that hammering. White gives up pieces right and left to leave a pretty diagram-Knight and bishop on the black-while the menaced king (and queen-but that's trivial)on white. |
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Apr-25-06
 | | dakgootje: could have sworn i saw the game before, but in that case i would've posted something here... Still its a nice game, especcially if you wont to play this defence (for what not to do ;-) |
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Apr-25-06
 | | TheAlchemist: <dakgootje>
B Kazic vs B Vukovic, 1940
F Brown vs Gibbs, 1918 |
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Apr-25-06
 | | ganstaman: <TheAlchemist: <dakgootje> B Kazic vs B Vukovic, 1940
F Brown vs Gibbs, 1918>
Ok, so why do players continue to enter this variation as black? I don't think I could do it as white, though. Entering a position where you know you might have to sac. your queen, don't think I could pull it off. |
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Apr-25-06
| | dakgootje: <TheAlchemist> Thanks, but what i see in those games, just as in this one, is the in my opinion mistake 8. Kf8. What happens after 8. ...Be6? |
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Apr-25-06
| | al wazir: <Chicago Chess Man: How could white play 13 Qxh6? The queen is still on the D1 square.> My mistake. I was looking at the position after 14. Qf4 and saying why I thought that black couldn't play Bxh6. Since I can't delete it now, everyone is hereby notified that all move numbers in the analysis I posted above should be incremented by 2. To answer the original question, I don't see why black couldn't play 12...Bxh6. Maybe he looked at 12...Nxd4 and thought he was going to win a piece, and then looked at 12...Bxh6 and saw that after 13. Nxc6 Qxd1 14. Ne7+ Kf8 15. Raxd1 it was even. |
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Apr-25-06
| | TheAlchemist: <dakgootje> 8...Be6 is theory: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... And also, there are at least two other similar examples: J Kotrc vs Weigl, 1912
Teichmann vs S Wolf, 1910
& check out for other options at Games Like Muller vs Bayer, 1908 I guess they will never learn :-)
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| Apr-25-06 | | Confuse: watching positional play win is always fascinating.
gg |
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Apr-26-06
| | dakgootje: <TheAlchemist> Thanks again, concerning the theory: The few games i still play are rarely againt players with much opening theory and as i dont like playing the sicilian game myself either, the games normally begin with 1. e4 e5 . Pity is only that there is quite a big chance for a pretty boring opening, if there continues 2. Nf3 Nc6, thus i enjoy playing the Two Knights defence both as black as white. Only ive never ever played 8. Kf8 after the opening of this game nor did any of my opponents play it ever against me, thus i was quite supriced that it was played here as i really seemd to remember that Be6 is a much better and logic responce, so thats why i asked the question... Now, lets wait until some of my opponents plays Kf8 =) |
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| Apr-21-09 | | WhiteRook48: 17 Re8+ lets White to checkmate by deflection |
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| May-23-09 | | WhiteRook48: brilliant!!! |
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Aug-17-09
 | | sleepyirv: Black saw that 13...Qxd4 was bad but missed that 16...Bxf4 walked into mate? That's an interesting form of chess blindness. |
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sac: 16.Nd5