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| HelaNubo: I saw 43... Rb3! 44. Qxb3 (44. Qd5 Rb5!) Qc6 and wins, and I presume it is enough for me. |
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Sep-24-06
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| percyblakeney: I went for 43. ... Rc7... Not exactly an easy solution, following Velickovic's analysis even Rybka doesn't see anything until after ten moves have been played out... I don't think I could have solved this one even if I spent a year on it :-) |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| AxelBoldt: Doesn't 48. Rxe4 win for White? |
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Sep-24-06
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| percyblakeney: <AxelBoldt> Indeed... |
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Sep-24-06
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| patzer2: For today's Sunday puzzle solution, the decoy sacrifice offer 43...Rc7!! looks to deflect the Queen from her defense of the long White diagonal for a mating attack. |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| sfm: <patzer2: 43...Rc7!! looks to deflect the Queen from her defense of the long White diagonal for a mating attack.> You haven't played through the game! 43...Rc7 goes nowhere. ;-) |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| sfm: <dzechiel: I think 58...Rxh2# was probably stronger than the text> Surely 57.N1e3 was really 57.N5e3 which makes it all make sense. |
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Sep-24-06
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| greensfield: Initially I spent a while playing around with the Knight checks and realised that a move that threatens the white Queen's control of the h1/a8 diagonal was the key to this position. Rook sac seemed the likely candidate, either 43...Rc7 or 43...Rb3. That's as far as I got and looked at the game. Didn't work it through, but still I was on the right lines! |
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Sep-24-06
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| chessgames.com: <For today's Sunday puzzle solution, the decoy sacrifice offer 43...Rc7!!> No! Read my previous post. 43...Rc7 worked in the game but is less accurate than 43...Rb3!! Also we think that <sfm> is probably right, the move 57.N5e3 was probably played. |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| Vinchent78: Yes!! I saw this time 43,...Rb3!! :-) |
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Sep-24-06
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| patzer2: <chessgames.com> I suppose Informant's suggestion of 43...Rd3!! is the most accurate way drive the White Queen off the long White diagonal and whip up a mating attack. Don't have time today to check out all the analysis in detail (more for my own understanding than trying to find any holes) but will come back to it later. |
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Sep-24-06
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| RandomVisitor: 39...Qc6 40.e7+ Kh7 wins for Black.
42.Nd2 wins for White.
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| Sep-24-06 |
| chessmoron: Welcome back <RV>! |
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Sep-24-06
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| RandomVisitor: <chessmoron> Thanks. |
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Sep-24-06
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| RandomVisitor: White's earliest winning chances are with 27.Bh6:
1: Milan Drasko - Sasa Velickovic, YUG-ch Yugoslavia 1988
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.1c mp:
1.  (1.57): 27...Nc4 28.Bxf8 Rxf8 29.Qc1 Nh7 30.Nh6+ Kh8 31.Qc3+ Qf6 32.Qxc4 Qxh6 33.Qxc5 Re8 34.Qxa7 2. (1.83): 27...Bxh6 28.Nxh6+ Kg7 29.N6f5+ Kg8 30.Qc1 Nh7 31.Qxc5 Nc4 32.Qc7 Re8 33.Qxa7 Ng5 34.Qd4 (, x 24.09.2006)
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Sep-24-06
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| bright1: Random Visitor: Can you post the winning line for White after the move 42. Nd2 This doesn't seem that simple to me. Say for instance: 42. Nd2 Qxe6
now what? |
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Sep-24-06
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| RandomVisitor: After 42.Nd2:
1: Milan Drasko - Sasa Velickovic, YUG-ch Yugoslavia 1988
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.1c mp:
1. (6.11): 42...Nf2+ 43.Kg1 Nfh3+ 44.Kf1 Qc6 45.Qb8+ Kh7 46.Qxa7+ Qc7 47.Qxc7+ Rxc7 48.e7 Rc8 49.e8Q 2. (6.28): 42...Qxe6 43.Nxe4 Nxe4 44.Qxc3+ Nxc3 45.Rxe6 Kg8 46.Rh6 Kf7 47.Nd6+ Ke7 48.Nc8+ Kf7 49.Rxh5 3. (7.26): 42...Qa8 43.Nxe4 Nxe4 44.Kg1 Kh7 45.e7 Qc6 46.e8Q Qxe8 47.Qb7+ Kg6 48.Ne7+ Qxe7 49.Qxe7 4. (8.80): 42...Qc6 43.Qb8+ Kh7 44.Nxe4 Nxe4 45.Qxa7+ Qc7 46.Qxc7+ Rxc7 47.Rxe4 Rc1+ 48.Kg2 Rc2+ 49.Kg1 (, x 24.09.2006)
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| Sep-24-06 |
| ganesh957: <think: Even more puzzling, why not 58...Rxh2#,60...Rxh2#?> <dzechiel: I think 58...Rxh2# was probably stronger than the text.> Please tell me where is the mate. |
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Sep-24-06
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| Knight13: <ganesh957> There is no mate. Nxh2, as you have seen. |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| Tariqov: <ganesh> Chessgames corrected the move order. See the chessgames.com post above, it says<Also we think that <sfm> is probably right, the move 57.N5e3 was probably played.> |
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Sep-24-06
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| kevin86: I,too saw the "mates" on 58 and 60-obviously the knight at f1 is stopping mate-it must first be deflected away. The attampts to deflect the queen earlier almost look like white is forced to chase shadows. |
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Sep-24-06
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| Richard Taylor: Incredible combo - didn't look much because of the World Champs but saw the idea of Nc7. But I only gave a quick glance or two and missed Nf2+ (which surely I should have seen ahd I looked longer) - great play! The Dalis are eccentric geniuses. Grrrrrrh! |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| rjstoffa: Please excuse my ignorance; I am new to chess but what happens if 44.Qxc7 ? |
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Sep-24-06
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| crafty: 44.  xc7  f2+ 45.  g2 a8+ 46. b7 xb7+ 47. xf2 f3+ 48. g1 h3# (eval -Mat05; depth 9 ply; 5M nodes) |
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| Sep-25-06 |
| rjstoffa: Thank you. |
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