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|Feb-23-07|| ||keypusher: <Calli> Yes, it irritates me too. But you probably guessed that. Hey, now there are six!|
|Feb-23-07|| ||JointheArmy: <keypusher> Make it seven :)|
I forget who it was who said
<Member since Aug-16-06 ˇ Last seen Feb-23-07> you had 6 months to post on this game. Maybe it was <PinkPanther> or someone.
|Dec-21-07|| ||xeroxmachine: eight!|
|Dec-21-07|| ||whiteshark: Some 56 moves in a endgame. If you get dozy it'll cost you.
|Jan-04-08|| ||dumbgai: I've always hated trying to win queen endgames with a couple extra pawns. That defensive queen always seems to have so many ways to perpetually check your king, and you have to watch out for stalemate traps too!|
|Jan-05-08|| ||syracrophy: Well, in the position after 92.f5 it's hard to make progress. If the black leaves the a8-h1 diagonal, the white will check and maybe a perpetual. It's not that easy. Can someone please post a possible winning plan for black? I find it really hard|
<Kibitzer Number 11>
|Jan-21-08|| ||Eggman: <<I've always hated trying to win queen endgames with a couple extra pawns. That defensive queen always seems to have so many ways to perpetually check your king, and you have to watch out for stalemate traps too!>>|
Not to mention the enemy Queen's awesome ability to escort a passer. Sometimes in -endings the player with the further-advanced passed pawn wins without much ado, even when being down a pawn or two.
|Jan-21-08|| ||Eggman: <syacrophy>
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Perhaps 92...e1+ 93.g2 g3+ 94.h1 g4 95.f2+ a8 96.f8+ b8 97.f2 h3 98.g3 d8 and Black can trade off Queens, e.g. 99.xg4 (nothing better) d5+ 100.h2 g2+ 101.xg2 hxg2+ 102.xg2 b8 103.f3 c7 104.e4 c6 105.d4 b5, etc.
|Jan-22-08|| ||Eggman: Actually, no, that's terrible. 94...g4?? allows the simple 95.Qc5+ Ka8 (95...Kb8 96.Qc8+! Ka7 97.Qxb7+) 96.Qa7+!, drawing.|
Going back to move 92, I guess just 92...Qc1+ 93.Kg2 Qf4 should work, e.g. 94.Qc5+ Ka8 95.Qc8+ Qb8 96.Qf5 g4!, and Black is making progress.
|Jan-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: *Kibitzer 15* :-) nice pin on the Q|
|Jan-25-09|| ||sleepyirv: I wonder if Reshevsky vowed never to let this happen again after this game...|
|Jan-25-09|| ||Skoolboye: lucky number 17?|
|Jun-08-09|| ||kevin86: I'm glad cg.com found this stalemate classic-first seen by me in Horowitz' book forty years ago.(CHESS TRAPS,PITFALLS,AND SWINDALS)|
Three pawns ahead including a pair of connectors-and black falls into the trap...
Note how useful the lone white pawn is at a5
|Jun-08-09|| ||ughaibu: Sleepyirv: move 53 Reshevsky vs Geller, 1953|
|May-30-10|| ||patzer2: Carl Pilnick - Samuel Reshevsky, New York ch-USA 1942
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Analysis by Fritz 10:
1. (-7.68): 92...Qc1+ 93.Kg2 Qf4 94.Qc5+ Kb8 95.Qd5 Qg3+ 96.Kh1 Qh3+ 97.Kg1 Qe3+ 98.Kh2 Ka7 99.Qd8
2. (-7.68): 92...Qe1+ 93.Kg2 Qd2+ 94.Kh3 Qe3+ 95.Kg2
3. (-7.68): 92...Qa3 93.Qf2+ Kb8 94.Qh2+ Ka8 95.Qd2 Qa1+ 96.Kh2 Qf6 97.Qd5 Qf2+ 98.Kh1 Qe1+ 99.Kg2
4. (-6.98): 92...Qe7 93.Kg2 Kb8 94.Kf2 Qd8 95.Ke2 Qe8+ 96.Kd2 Qb5 97.Qf8+ Kc7 98.Kc2 Qe2+ 99.Kb3 Qe3+ 100.Ka2
5. (-6.82): 92...Kb8 93.Qf8+ Kc7 94.Qf7+ Kc6 95.Qg6+ Kd5 96.Qf7+ Kd4 97.Qd7+ Kc3 98.Qc8+ Kd3 99.Qg8 Kd4 100.Qc8 Qf3+ 101.Kg1 g4 102.Qd8+ Kc5 103.Qxh4 Qe3+ 104.Kh2 Qh3+
6. (-6.81): 92...Qc3 93.Qf2+ Kb8 94.Qf8+ Qc8 95.Qd6+ Ka8 96.Qe7 b6 97.Qf6 bxa5 98.Kg1
7. (-4.66): 92...Qb3 93.Qc5+ Kb8 94.Qe5+ Kc8 95.Qe8+ Kc7 96.Qe7+
8. (-3.68): 92...Qe8 93.Qxg5 Qe1+ 94.Kg2 Qg3+ 95.Qxg3 hxg3 96.Kxg3 Kb8 97.Kf4 Kc7 98.Ke4 Kc6 99.Kd3 Kb5 100.Kc3 Kxa5 101.Kb3 b5 102.Ka3
Although not initially listed by Fritz, Black appears to have a ninth winning move here with 92...Qf4! 93. Qd5 g4 94. Qc5+ Kb1 95. g3! .
|Mar-26-11|| ||Capablanca Fan: Doesn't Reshevsky always fall for stalemate traps like in the Swindle Of The Century game against Larry Evans?|
|Aug-01-11|| ||BwanaVa: Reshevsky did have the unfortunate tendency to fall into late game traps, sometimes due to time trouble. Beyond Pilnick and Evans, there was Reshevsky-Byrne (
Reshevsky vs R Byrne, 1973) that lost him a US Championship playoff and hanging his queen in a won position against Savon in the Internzonal (Reshevsky vs Savon, 1973 )|
|Aug-01-11|| ||BwanaVa: of course, Reshevsky sometimes got some late game help...as in Reshevsky vs Denker, 1942 where TD L. Walter Stephens mistakenly forfeited Arnold Denker, then refused to reverse himself.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||kevin86: The most famous pitfall involving stalemate in history!|
Pilnick is NO picnic!
|May-08-13|| ||Caissanist: Reshevsky does seem to have been a bit more vulnerable than average to stalemate swindles. Besides this and the "swindle of the century", another famous one was Reshevsky vs Geller, 1953 .|
|May-08-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Let's see. Reshevsky falls for a stalemate swindle in 1942, and then again twenty-one years later in 1963.|
I wish I were that vulnerable to stalemate swindles.
|Jun-07-13|| ||csmath: I find this more interesting in terms of Grunfeld theory.
Obnoxious style of Reshevsky could have been punished here in the opening with|
and then 24. Rc3. It would more or less forcing of queen exchange on not favorable terms for black.
By the way the whole opening and middlegame white played cowardly.
|Jul-17-13|| ||jerseybob: csmath:Sure you don't mean 23.dxc6? If that's what you mean, doesn't 23..Nc6 24.Rc3,Qd4 at least hold?|
|Jul-17-13|| ||jerseybob: BTW, on the flip side of this "Reshevsky falls into traps" model we're laying out here, he had a knack for pulling off amazing draws in bad positions.|
|Jul-17-13|| ||perfidious: <jerseybob>: Resourceful was he, despite the two notorious examples on the short side of things from his praxis.|
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