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| Jan-07-08 | | patzer2: <JustWoodshifting> I also taught at University level and was shocked at the number of students at the Junior and Senior level who could not put together a logically coherent sentence -- let alone an entire paragraph or paper. My son-in-law is a University instructor at the undergraduate level, and he's minimized the assignment of written work and gone to mostly "objective" multiple choice tests because he can't understand what most of his students are trying to communicate on an essay test or in a term paper (although he has caught a few copying term papers word-for-word from online sources). By the way, this is at a major University where most of the students scored in the top 5 percent on their college entrance exams and had near 4.0 GPAs in high school. Perhaps that's why the SAT preparers went to an essay portion in the last few years. I hope it helps. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | ChessNe1: <JustWoodshifting>, we tolerate "bad english" as a culture, from our peers, or people who are culturally popular, whom we admire, but become irritated when teens use it. the standard has to be applied to all, equally. i also find the "lower class" (cringe) people using "bad english" more often, but that is the case for poor whites as well as poor blacks. making glaring examples of black people is misleading. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | DanLanglois: <hcbsb 25. f3 Nf6 26. a4 Nc7 27. Bf1 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4> Instead of 29. Ng4, White has 29. e4(!) discovering an attack on Black's a6 rook. This rook can't leave the 6th rank as it is defending the c-pawn. So, 29...Rb6 30 exd5 Nxd5 31 Nc4 is all forced, forking Black's b6 rook and his a-pawn, and that gives White a tempo towards doubling rooks on the c-file with Rd2. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | hcbsb: <Tabanus:> <hcbsb: <From kwid and gmueller PGN, checked move a move:> 25. f3 Nf6 26. a4 Nc7 27. Bf1 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5 Rd6 31. e4 Ne6 32. Rcc1 Rb6 33. Bg2 Kf8 ..>
<33...Rd8! 34.exd5 cxd5 35.Rxd5 Rxb2 36.Rxd8 Nxd8 > Good observation!
I didn't check 33...Rd8 yet because besides two PGN's with this move, Shredder Classic 3, during my verification also changed to 33...Kf8 at 14/14 +0.82 at 15/15 Kf8 eval was +0.82
at 16/33 Kf8 eval was +0.78 and
at 17/35 (33 minutes) eval was +078
Certainly you found a comp horizon effect because after 33...Rd8! 34.exd5 cxd5 35.Rxd5 Rxb2 36.Rxd8 Nxd8 game is drawish. Now I´m worried about Shredder + Chess Master move 28...Ne4 instead of 28...Ng4. For a while, I also think 28...Ne4 is better. After 28...Ng4, it is not necessary to play the comp move 30.Rc5. We knows that computer don't play well endgames in some positions, according our experience in many WT endgames. I don't know if these new versions can play it better than some years ago, so, endgame is difficult, mainly endgame with Rook like this. I think he will not play 28...Ng4. I have checked Ng4 line and in my human try, only a preliminary yet, Black seems lost changing move 30th. I´ll check if someone has had the same idea, before posting it. In any complicated position a horizon effect is possible in the endgame, the reason to check deeply 30...Ne4 too. Good point!
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 | | rinus: another <kwid>-line: <27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rd2 Re4 31. Rdc2 Ne8 32. b3 Re6 33. Rc5 Rb6 34.Rxa5 Rxb3 35. Ra7+ Kh6 36. Ra1 <<<g5>>> 37. f5 Rf6 38. a5 Rxf5 39. a6 Rb8 40. e3 Rf8 41. Re7 Kg6 42. Rc1 Rf7 43. Bd3+ Kg7 44. Rxf7+ Kxf7 45. Rxc6 h5 46. e4 d4 47.e5 Ke7 48. Rh6 Rc8 49. Rxh5 Ke6 50. Rxg5 Rc3 51. a7 Ra3 52. Ba6 Nc7 53. Bc4+ Kd7 54. Rxg4 1-0> After <36.Ra1>
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fruit 2.3.1 (21-ply):
1. (0.39): 36...Ree3 37.a5 Nd6 38.Rc7 Ra3 39.Rb1 Rxa5 40.Rxc6 Nf5 2. (0.58): 36...Rc3 37.a5 Ree3 38.a6 Ra3 39.Rb1 Nd6 40.Rb8 Re8 3. (0.66): 36...Rb4 37.a5 Ree4 38.Kf2 Ra4 39.Rxa4 Rxa4 40.Bg2 Ra2 4. (0.84): 36...c5 37.a5 Ree3 38.Bg2 d4 39.a6 Ra3 40.Rxa3 Rxa3 Not a trace of the very suboptimal <36...g5> (for Black). |
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| Jan-07-08 | | sentriclecub: Hey team
Announcing the evolution of Guess-The-Move...
It is GUESS-THE-VARIATION!!!
You'll have to guess the next 6 moves!
Now let me explain...
I have listed every variation (within reason).
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=d...
Simply look at the list, and give yourself an evening of enjoyment, because that is how long it took me to decide on my pick. Guess the variation that black (and white) will play. If you correctly guess the variation (which is extremely tough!) you instantly make the hall-of-fame and earn the chess-respect of your teammates. At the time of this posting, Bf1 has 75 votes and e4 has 18 votes. (i'm an e4 voter just to keep it in the race). It took 7 hours to create the Bf1 variations, and if e4 gets within 20 votes, I'll create a full 150 "e4 variations" to widen the choices. Summary--
Chose your guess from this list... http://docs.google.com/View?docid=d... You can enter it in "block 3 line 2" format or you can simply type "27. Bf1 Nd7 28. Nc4 Re6 29. e4 Nf6 30. exd5" which corresponds to block 3 line 2". Again guys, I always hate run-away votes and second the opinion of fellow teammates, in saying that it is disrespectful to the e4-fans to let the vote runaway after you've given them only 6 hours to make their case! Having said that, guess your variation!
leave your choice at my forum
User: sentriclecub |
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| Jan-07-08 | | hcbsb: <DanLanglois:> <25. f3 Nf6 26. a4 Nc7 27. Bf1 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4> <Instead of 29. Ng4, White has 29. e4(!) discovering an attack on Black's a6 rook. This rook can't leave the 6th rank as it is defending the c-pawn. So, 29...Rb6 30 exd5 Nxd5 31 Nc4 is all forced, forking Black's b6 rook and his a-pawn, and that gives White a tempo towards doubling rooks on the c-file with Rd2.>
Waw! You almost discovered my try.
But, despite your sequence being different, it may be transpose to mine.After 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. e4 Rb6 30 exd5 Nxd5 31 Nc4 Rd2 <If 32.Re2 Re4 33.Nd2 +0.19>
<If 32.Nxa5 Rxa4 33.Nb7 +0.23, looks drawish.> I´m checking my preliminary yet before posting it.
Thanks.
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| Jan-07-08 | | sentriclecub: Also, to my post above...
Free unlimited "change your mind"s
until January 11th.
Cruise the forums to help yourself make a better choice, and in turn, help the team. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | get Reti: I'll guess the simple 27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | DanLanglois: < hcbsb After 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. e4 Rb6 30 exd5 Nxd5 31 Nc4 > Problem w/this here idea..After 31...Rb4 32. Rd2, Black has 32...Ne3. I'm seeing merit therefore in < get Reti I'll guess the simple 27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5 > |
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| Jan-07-08 | | sentriclecub: Alright <get Reti>, I have you down for block 12 line 1 Exact same guess as Cheski, out of 160 possible choices. But of course, its a popular line. Thanks for the participation. You're in! If you change your mind, let me know. |
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| | rinus: I'm trying to guess <sentriclecub>'s next guessing game. For this one: 27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | YouRang: <<sentriclecub>'s next guessing game.> Please post guesses in <sentriclecub>'s chessforum instead of here on the main GMT page. I believe it was <sentriclecub>'s intention anyway. Thanks. :-) |
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 | | Ron: My vote is for Bf1, top move for Rybka. I'm avoiding the Cult of the Underdog Move. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | ChessNe1: <Ron: My vote is for Bf1, top move for Rybka. I'm avoiding the Cult of the Underdog Move.> it wasn't so long ago when this room saw <27.e4> as the favorite. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | whatthefat: After having spent some time looking at 27.e4, I'm going to have to go with 27.Bf1. I think it's our only way to secure a lasting advantage in the endgame. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | hcbsb: < rinus:>< another> <kwid>-line:
<27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rd2 Re4 31. Rdc2 Ne8 32. b3 Re6 33. Rc5 Rb6 34.Rxa5 Rxb3 35. Ra7+ Kh6 36. Ra1 <<<g5>>> 37. f5 Rf6 38. a5 Rxf5 39. a6 Rb8 40. e3 Rf8 41. Re7 Kg6 42. Rc1 Rf7 43. Bd3+ Kg7 44. Rxf7+ Kxf7 45. Rxc6 h5 46. e4 d4 47.e5 Ke7 48. Rh6 Rc8 49. Rxh5 Ke6 50. Rxg5 Rc3 51. a7 Ra3 52. Ba6 Nc7 53. Bc4+ Kd7 54. Rxg4 1-0> <After <36.Ra1> click for larger view
Analysis by Fruit 2.3.1 (21-ply):
1. (0.39): 36...Ree3 37.a5 Nd6 38.Rc7 Ra3 39.Rb1 Rxa5 40.Rxc6 Nf5 2. (0.58): 36...Rc3 37.a5 Ree3 38.a6 Ra3 39.Rb1 Nd6 40.Rb8 Re8 3. (0.66): 36...Rb4 37.a5 Ree4 38.Kf2 Ra4 39.Rxa4 Rxa4 40.Bg2 Ra2 4. (0.84): 36...c5 37.a5 Ree3 38.Bg2 d4 39.a6 Ra3 40.Rxa3 Rxa3 Not a trace of the very suboptimal <36...g5> (for Black).> Certainly it is a PV line, many points to be checked. A fast look at it with Shredder:
27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rd2 Re4 31. Rdc2 Ne8 32. b3 Re6 <32...Rb6 33.Rc5 eval is +0.48> 33. Rc5
<32. e4! Rb6 eval is +1.04> 33...Rb6 34.Rxa5 Rxb3 <eval is +0.48> <34. R1c3 Kf6 eval is +0.93> 35. Ra7+ Kh6 36. Ra1 g5
<Your suggestion: 36...Ree3 +0.16> <And finally, If 36.Ra6 Nf6 +0.44> 37. f5 Rf6 38. a5 Rxf5 39. a6 Rb8 40. e3 Rf8 41. Re7 Kg6 42. Rc1 Rf7 43. Bd3+ Kg7 44. Rxf7+ Kxf7 45. Rxc6 h5 46. e4 d4 47.e5 Ke7 48. Rh6 Rc8 49. Rxh5 Ke6 50. Rxg5 Rc3 51. a7 Ra3 52. Ba6 Nc7 53. Bc4+ Kd7 54. Rxg4 1-0 |
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| Jan-07-08 | | hcbsb: <DanLanglois:>< After 27... Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. e4 Rb6 30 exd5 Nxd5 31 Nc4
Problem w/this here idea..After 31...Rb4 32. Rd2, Black has 32...Ne3. >
<I'm seeing merit therefore in> < get Reti I'll guess the simple 27. Bf1 Re6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5 > Did you read below?
< Tabanus has found a comp horizon effect after: 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5 Rd6 31. e4 Ne6 32. Rcc1 Rb6 33. Bg2 Kf8 ..> <33...Rd8! 34.exd5 cxd5 35.Rxd5 Rxb2 36.Rxd8 Nxd8 > <Drawish!>
I also don't like of this fast draw.
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| Jan-07-08 | | DanLanglois: <hcbsb 27 bf1 Rd6 28. f4 Ng4 29. Nxg4 fxg4 30. Rc5 Rd6 31. e4 Ne6 32. Rcc1 Rb6 33. Bg2 Rd8! 34.exd5 cxd5 35.Rxd5 Rxb2 36.Rxd8 Nxd8 > Yes, it's a problem. Perhaps White aims for a 3-2 pawn majority on the kingside, based on winning Black's g4 pawn (alternatively, Black can opt for a g6-h5-g4 pawn chain to defend the g4 pawn, we should be so lucky). I imagine that the a-pawns will have to be exchanged off. After 34 Rc7+ Kh6 35 Bd5 Rb6 White perhaps has an idea in 36 Ra7!? |
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| Jan-07-08 | | weisyschwarz: I am playing 27.Bf1 in this position, <Karpova>. Thanks. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | ganstaman: When I asked before, I was told that 27. Bf1 was best here, so unless we're told differently in a few days, my vote will be easy to cast. And for those who love off-topic posts: I'm currently in medical school and I was on my college's debate team, so I've certainly been educated enough to know proper grammar and the like. And yet (I keep starting sentences with 'and...') my vocabulary is more limited than many of my peers, my knowledge of spelling is far below what it should be, and I still use 'good' as an adverb when I'm talking. But when I turn a paper in to be graded, or whenever I give someone something written that I know will be judged in some way based on grammar, I make sure it's as perfect as can be. I think most students are capable of this, but it simply appeals too much to our lazy sides to hand in first drafts of papers that contain English as we've been brought up speaking it instead of how we've been brought up learning it. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | Rhinocerous Ranger: Why is Rc2 dead? I found two winning lines!
1) 27.Rc2 Ne6 28.Rdc1 Nd8 29.Rc5 Nd7 30.Nxd7 Rxd7 31.e4 Rd6 32.fxd5 cxd5 33.Bf1 Ra8 34.Rc8 Rxc8 35.Rxc8 Nc6 36.Ra8 and we win a pawn and get a passer.
click for larger view2) Rc2 Nd7 28.f4 Ne6 29.e4 Nxe5 30.fxe5 Rd8 31.Bd3 Rf8 34.Rdc1 Nd8 25.Rc5 we win a pawn with great chances of winning the game.
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| Jan-07-08 | | DanLanglois: < Rhinocerous Ranger: Why is Rc2 dead? I found two winning lines! 1) 27.Rc2 Ne6 28.Rdc1 Nd8 >
No, 28..Nd4! Black wins.
< 2) Rc2 Nd7 28 f4 Ne6 >
Not 28...Ne6?? Black's rook is trapped(29 Nc4!). Black plays 28...Kf6 =. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | Rhinocerous Ranger: <DanLanglois: < Rhinocerous Ranger: Why is Rc2 dead? I found two winning lines!
1) 27.Rc2 Ne6 28.Rdc1 Nd8 >
No, 28..Nd4! Black wins. >
27.Rc2 Ne6 28.Rdc1 Nd4 29.Rd2 Black has to retreat or go to b4 and probably lose his knight. << 2) Rc2 Nd7 28 f4 Ne6 > Not 28...Ne6?? Black's rook is trapped(29 Nc4!). Black plays 28...Kf6 =.> 28.f4 Kf6 29.Nxc6 Rxc6 30.Rxc6 Rxc6 31.Bxd5 This isn't too bad either: despite losing a knight for two pawns we now have an active bishop. |
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| Jan-07-08 | | Rhinocerous Ranger: <DanLanglois:> BTW, you were right about 28...Ne6 being bad. |
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