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The World 
The World
Number of games in database: 25
Years covered: 1996 to 2014
Overall record: +9 -7 =9 (54.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
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Chess games allowing for consultation are almost as old as chess itself, but only with modern technology can participants from around the globe be unified to make a group-effort of a truly large scale. In 1996, Anatoly Karpov took on the challenge of playing "the World"--i.e., a group of internet participants which included a spectrum of abilities ranging from beginner to grandmaster. Karpov won the game in only 33 moves. "The World" has taken on a number of notable players, and it has always been a good learning exercise for those who choose to participate.

The results for "the World" had been poor until January 11th, 2007, when the internet scored its first major victory: over 2500 members of Chessgames collaborated to defeat correspondence grandmaster Arno Nickel. Then, on July 7th 2007, Yury Shulman resigned his game against the Chessgames members.

On August 11, 2008, after 62 moves and over a year of play, the World (via Chessgames) defeated the 15th world correspondence champion, Gert Jan Timmerman.

An article about the World Team written by User: hms123 in consultation with Team members appeared in the August 2011 issue of <Chess Life> (starting at page 32):

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Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. The World vs Karpov 0-132 1996 01, Internet Match, FINB17 Caro-Kann, Steinitz Variation
2. Kasparov vs The World 1-062 1999 Kasparov vs the WorldB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
3. The World vs Hao Yin ½-½44 2000 The World vs. Yin HaoC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
4. Hao Yin vs The World 0-128 2001 Internet MatchA30 English, Symmetrical
5. Kouatly vs The World 1-032 2001 Kouatly vs. The WorldE76 King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack
6. DeFirmian vs The World 0-152 2002 De Firmian-The WorldB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
7. Carlsen vs The World ½-½31 2002 Carlsen-The NetC78 Ruy Lopez
8. J C Knudsen vs The World 0-121 2003 Knudsen- The WorldE59 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Main line
9. The World vs S Iuldachev ½-½30 2004 corr TV gameC89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall
10. The World vs Kosteniuk 0-133 2004 ?B90 Sicilian, Najdorf
11. The World vs A Nickel 1-041 2006 Chessgames ChallengeB42 Sicilian, Kan
12. Y Shulman vs The World 0-146 2007 Chessgames ChallengeE15 Queen's Indian
13. The World vs G Timmerman 1-062 2007 Chessgames ChallengeA88 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation with c6
14. N Davies vs The World ½-½48 2008 Vote Chess MatchA20 English
15. A Nickel vs The World ½-½42 2008 Chessgames ChallengeB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
16. N Pogonina vs The World 1-055 2009 Pogonina vs. WorldB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
17. M Umansky vs The World ½-½36 2009 Chessgames ChallengeD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
18. The World vs N Pogonina ½-½62 2010 Chessgames ChallengeE10 Queen's Pawn Game
19. Carlsen vs The World 1-044 2010 RAW Chess ChallengeE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
20. Akobian vs The World ½-½32 2011 Chessgames ChallengeE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
21. Carlsen vs The World 1-038 2012 UNAM Carlsen-MundoB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
22. Anand vs The World ½-½22 2012 Anand vs The WorldD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
23. The World vs Akobian 1-035 2012 Chessgames ChallengeB12 Caro-Kann Defense
24. S Williams vs The World 0-133 2013 Chessgames ChallengeA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
25. The World vs Naiditsch 1-036 2014 Chessgames ChallengeC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
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  chancho: <Nakosonorense> Nope!

That money will be of good use for Asteroid Apophis:

Aug-05-13  GumboGambit: According to Rybka, The Hitler attacks should have been countered much more swiftly. Also, too much attention is paid to royal weddings, instead of curing cancer.
Nov-04-13  Dredge Rivers: <GumboGambit> According to Rybka, your posts make no sense! :)
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  lost in space: Just recognized that my avatar is half the world ones?! What does that mean? Most probably half of the opposite of nothing
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  whiteshark: You may find yourself in another part of The World

And you may ask yourself <Well... how did I get here?>

May-12-14  Lossmaster: Playing against the World must be an exhausting simul.
Jul-14-14  SpiritedReposte: Bring back Pluto!
Jul-14-14  SpiritedReposte: The <Chessgames Challenge> team look undefeated scoring 7/9.

Y'all are tough to beat.

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  PinnedPiece: Not sure about mixing the internet "World" team with the Chessgames community "World" team results. I think more useful would be to have two "Worlds":

The World (i)
The World (CG)

Because the results are strikingly different; the coordination and method of play is different; the team makeup is different...

But if they must be combined, then how about The World challenging Magnus Carlsen to a rematch (first time ended in a draw).

If a major sponsor could somehow back the match with:

1) 15,000 somethings (krone???) to Carlsen should he win/10,000 lose or draw...


2) 6-month paid memberships to all World participants who voted in at least half of the moves should the World win...

Or something....

And of course publicize it every which way and Sunday since the CG world (+ computers) may currently represent the strongest player around.

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Maybe the World could play against the latest version of Stockfish....


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  OhioChessFan: <PiPi: Not sure about mixing the internet "World" team with the Chessgames community "World" team results. I think more useful would be to have two "Worlds": The World (i)
The World (CG)

I agree completely that they are not the same team, as do others who have discussed it during some of our World games. The delineation of (i) and (CG) is a nice solution to the problem. I know Pogo, for instance, insists on saying she has a winning record against The World since she beat a previous incarnation not from cg.c

Dec-05-14  SpiritedReposte: I gotta think cg has the best "world" team. I was a .0001% part in the current destruction of a world class GM and it is amazing the amount of analysis you guys go through. It went from a weird nothing forced position, to a pawn sac, then victory like magic.

I don't see how a single player could win against a cg team. Around the world you guys are calculating lines looking at new variations 24/7. It would take a like minded team to beat you, or a freak genius that could make moves you guys wouldn't see 10 moves in advance. Which you guys would see anyway, and have them fully analyzed lol.

Has anyone calculated the chessgames team rating? I'd guess 3500+

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  AylerKupp: <SpiritedReposte> I have calculate the World Team rating, several times, but most of them incorrectly since I had the wrong rating for V.Akobian for one of the games. But they would have been different at any rate, since FIDE changed its method of calculation for initial ratings as of July 1, 2014.

Here is my latest calculation after the World Team's victory over A.Naiditsch which I believe to be correct (as much as this calculation can be), using the OTB ratings for the OTB players and the correspondence rating for the correspondence players at the time that the games were played: The World vs Naiditsch, 2014.

And, in case you don't want to bother with the rating calculation method, I calculated the World Team's rating after the victory over A.Naiditsch to be 2730, resulting the World Team to be ranked as the #23 player in the world at the time of the calculation.

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  AylerKupp: <PinnedPiece>, <OhioChessFan> I think that it is reasonable to lump all the World Teams together. After all, even for the <>'s World Team, the membership in the team changes from game to game as do the players voting in each game, even though there is a core team that is relatively constant.
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  OhioChessFan: <AK> I think the cg.c World Team would kill every other incarnation of world teams.
Mar-07-15  BadKnight: Back in the days when computer programs were relatively weaker, these centaur games was interesting to me. Human cluster would then come up with a plan and then blunder check the ideas and intricacies of the positions (to some extent, at least).

With increasing computing power nowadays, imo the sporting aspects of the game is almost lost, and computer and data optimization has become more important.

Today with the modern tools available in hands, any weak master with lots of free time and dedication and access to very strong hardware + good knowledge on the functioning of chess programs and their optimizations will outmatch any mortal strong human GM with an strong engine used primarily for blunderchecking.

This current format is just very different from chess. And I like real chess/blitz/bullet much more than this game. It is just a matter of personal preference.

sometimes if there is a forced win with humanly unfathomable 20 obscure strong engine moves, then so be it. we wont need to understand the rationale behind the moves; just double and triple check the data and reproduce it. If there is forced mate in 259 moves, then so be it. It is just the way it is.

It is best suited to strong chess player with very strong computation background.

But I still believe if a superstrong GM puts a real effort (i.e. put a team of strong analysts) then we stand no chance, as their superior chess knowledge must come victorious. But as the dedication increases, number of draws would increase. Yes I have strong reasons to believe that chess is draw with best play, and by quite a big margin.

I am a believer in draw deaths in these centaur games. Only time can tell if I am right.

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  cro777: Maxime Vachier-Lagrave vs The World on Twitter.

The current position:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bg5 Ne4 5.Bh4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 dxc4 7.e3 Be6 8.Nf3 Bg7 9.Qb1 Qd5 10.Be2 Bf5 11.Qb4 c5 12.Qb5+ Bd7 13.Bxc4 Bxb5 14.Bxd5 Bc6 15.Bxc6+ Nxc6 16.Rb1 b6 17.Ke2 .cxd4 18.cxd4 Kd7 19.Rhc1 Rhc8 20.g4 e6 21.Bg3

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Maxime: "Who said endgames are boring? Try challenging me @DefiezMaxime!"

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  cro777: Maxime has just played 21.Bg3.

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  AylerKupp: <<BadKnight> But I still believe if a superstrong GM puts a real effort (i.e. put a team of strong analysts) then we stand no chance, as their superior chess knowledge must come victorious.>

It certainly would be interesting to find out. All we need to do is find a superstrong GM with lots of available time who is also sufficiently motivated to devote the time needed for the effort and who is also in a good financial position to be able to obtain the necessary computer resources and hire the needed staff to support him (although the latter might not be in the spirit of the Chessgames Challenge).

It seems to me that a certain Garry Kasparov, with a reputed net worth of US $ 5,000,000, might satisfy these conditions. He might need some time off to ponder and plan his future activities given his so far unsuccessful attempts to replace either Putin or Ilyumzhinov. And no one could doubt Kasparov's determination to achieve any goals that he sets for himself.

Does that sound like an idea?

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  plang: <All we need to do is find a superstrong GM with lots of available time who is also sufficiently motivated to devote the time needed for the effort and who is also in a good financial position to be able to obtain the necessary computer resources and hire the needed staff to support him (although the latter might not be in the spirit of the Chessgames Challenge).>

What would be the purpose of this? What would it prove?

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  OhioChessFan: What does any chess game prove?
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  morfishine: <OCF> That two people know how to move the pieces
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  AylerKupp: <<plang> What would be the purpose of this? What would it prove?>

The only purpose would be amusement and/or interest, like any other chess games we play against GMs. Because, like <OhioChessFan> said, no one chess game (or even a small number of chess games) proves anything, certainly not in a statistically significant way. But if the World team defeats (or even draws) Kasparov under those circumstances then it would prove <BadKnight>'s assertion to be false, namely that if a superstrong GM puts a real effort, then the World team stands no chance.

Unless, of course, you don't consider Kasparov to satisfy the condition of being a superstrong GM.

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  plang: I see why the World would be interested but the suggestion that a strong GM would want to spend a lot of time and hire a suppor team to help him (her) seems unlikely. I think some GMs were attracted to the idea of trying to defeat the World (and all their computer firepower) using their superior chess knowledge without investing too much into it. That has recently proved difficult. I think GMs will be increasingly difficult to find to take part in these exercises.
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  cro777: Maxime Vachier-Lagrave: "Who said endgames are boring? Try challenging me @DefiezMaxime!"

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