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| Aug-20-08 | | mkrk17: What a game by the great Moro. Looks like kramnik walked right into Moro's home preparation. Just what Kramnik did to shirov yesterday. This game wont do much to boost Kramnik's confidence for the upcoming macth against Anand. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | ughaibu: How about 21....Bc6? |
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| Aug-20-08 | | VaselineTopLove: Maybe Kramnik is hiding his preparation for the Bonn match and playing inferior lines here...? |
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| Aug-20-08 | | cannibal: <mkrk17>, <VaselineTopLove>
The line wasn't inferior, it seemed to be quite good, and after 21. ...e4 (and then if Rd6, Ne5-f7) it would have been at worst equal, but possibly with some endgame prospects (passed h-pawn).
And if anyone walked into the other guy's prep, it was Moro, who was down an hour after move 19.
That's the most notable thing about this game, how quickly Kramnik collapsed once he was on his own. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | acirce: <Looks like kramnik walked right into Moro's home preparation.> Nope. It was almost certainly the other way around. Kramnik used 12 minutes for his first 19 moves. Morozevich had used over an hour more. 21..Be6 turned the position from about level to winning or close to winning for White. The bishop did no longer cover important squares on the a4-e8 diagonal. I may be wrong, but it seems more like a case of "chess blindness" as <visayanbraindoctor> expressed it, than generally not being able to handle the complications in a game such as this. It's not like he should not be able to see the power of Ra3 when not even in time trouble. It seems like a kind of mistake that you might make in much simpler positions than this if you are going to make it at all. My point is not that this is making it any better. Very worrying, of course, that he keeps playing this way. It's true that his focus is mostly on the Bonn match by far but it's just been a bit too much of this lately. Apart from a few Kramnik-hating creeps I think we all want to see both Kramnik and Anand in their best form regardless of whom we root for. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | notyetagm: <VaselineTopLove: Maybe Kramnik is hiding his preparation for the Bonn match and playing inferior lines here...?> Yes, maybe Kramnik is intentionally getting nuked with Black to make Anand overconfident. Just maybe. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | notyetagm: <ksr: Oh its +1.27 after 23 c6
shintaro go: 23. c6 played quickly. Kramnik should resign right now.
keypusher: Oh, c5-c6, very pretty.>
Yes, 23 c5-c6! <REMOVES THE FOUNDATION (UNDERMINES)> of the Black king's pawn shield
by attacking the pawn chain base Black b7-pawn which supports the Black a6-pawn. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | notyetagm: <Mateo: 30.Rd6! is beautiful.> Indeed, I love to place my rooks in <OUTPOSTS> on <OPEN FILES>, and here there is a tactical reason
for this positionally desirbale move.
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| Aug-20-08 | | notyetagm: <visayanbraindoctor: Nice attack by Moro. He simply squashed Kramnik's Queenside and center with simple direct attacking moves.> An attacking masterpiece by Moro.
Just look at the annotations at the chessok.com website (http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.p...): <
19. b4 !? Aggressive move
21. Rd3 A very good move
22. Ra3 !
23. c6 !
26. Bc4 ! Best move
30. Rd6 !
(31... Qxd6 32. Ra8+ Rybka 3 (0:00.42)+7.96|d12)
[1-0]
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So Moro gets 4(!) of the !'s and remember, this annotator does not give out many of them. This is the most
!'s that I have ever seen this annotator give for a single game. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Microdot: Congrats to Top GM Morozevich!!
Thanks God, my main chess man won against Kramnik in my favorite line of QGD: Semi-Slav: Anti-Meran "7.g4"As a chronic Morolover I am very happy. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | sallom89: god help you :/ |
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| Aug-20-08 | | boz: So what should Kramnik have played on move 21 instead of ...Be6? |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Bobsterman3000: I think Vladimir was feeling a little ill today. Surely, that the explanation... |
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| Aug-20-08 | | tldr3: <acirce: Apart from a few Kramnik-hating creeps I think we all want to see both Kramnik and Anand in their best form regardless of whom we root for.> Amen to that brother. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | drnooo: Such a game is meaningless when it comes to gathering the tea leaves for his match with Anand. The only really important thing about Krammnik is his health. If he is, well he will go right on being one of the hardest for anybody to beat.
He is at bottom a very curious fellow. Read his interviews. One of the most ambitious unambitious players ever. Positively subterranian, whereas Anand Shirov Moro, all wear their 64 squares on their sleeves. Its not for nothing Kasparov found Krammnik the most difficult opponent he ever faced.
If Kramnik is healthy, my guess is he will wear Anand down agonizingly until everybody is so bored that Anand will be wondering where is Petrosian when I need him now. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | micartouse: Good job Moro! One imagines c5-c6 as an attacking possibility as early as 19 ... 0-0-0, but in the game he had an opportunity to organize this move with devastating effect. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | vanytchouck: We can see a video of the moment when Morozevich 's played 30. Rd6 !!
http://www.europe-echecs.com/articl... |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Knight to f6: Why 24. Qg5??
Pinning the knight is pointless, as it is already very restricted in its movements and the pin is only temporary. The queen is out of the action and virtually useless here. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Atking: <boz: So what should Kramnik have played on move 21 instead of ...Be6?> e4 was possible and suggested. Yesterday I suggested a totally different plan and I still think it favors Black 19...a5 (as Kramnik has always 0-0 in his hand). But Kramnik played almost immediately 0-0-0 and my suggestion never got attention. Now one could check it with a chess program but at first sight (I could miss something obvious) it looks good. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | messachess: This is just very advanced chess--and I'm an e4 player. So, until I can get some time to thoroughly study it, no comment other than congratulations Moro! |
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| Aug-20-08 | | PinnedPiece: If 31 ..Nc8
32 Qxc6 Kf7
33 Qd5+
No good move for black |
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Aug-20-08
 | | tamar: A hypothetical ratings chart during game.
First 19 moves Kramnik 2900 level
Black has contained White's play, and has endgame trumps. 20...e5 2700 Fine move, but what is the plan?
21...Be6 2550 A natural looking move, but actually a blunder rest of way 2700 to no avail.
Once White grabs the initiative it is likely there is no defense. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | parmetd: 21... e4 or Kb8 black should be fine. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Moro completely destroyed Drawnik in this game! He refuted his home-prep over the board which can't leave a nice taste in Drawnik's mouth with Anand coming up. |
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| Aug-20-08 | | dexterious: Really nice game. Apart from a few Kramnik-loving creeps, hopefully Kramnik should be torn apart in his match with Anand, preferably in games like this one. |
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