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Vladimir Kramnik vs Viswanathan Anand
Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Vienna Variation (D37)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Oct-25-08
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  Eyal: <kamalakanta: After 25.Qc2, can Black play 25....f5? with the idea of 26.exf5 Qd5+ 27.Kg1 Qxf5 28.Qxf5 ef5 and now, if 29.Ne3 then 29...Nd4?>

Instead of allowing Black a move like Nd4, White can improve by 29.Rd2! and Black's game would become very passive by having to defend his pawn weakness, e.g. 29...Re6 30.Kf2 Kg7 31.Ne3 Kg6 32.Rd5 Ne7 33.Rd7/d8. Maybe Black can hold this, but I don't think it would have been a good idea to enter such an endgame against Kramnik.

Oct-25-08  you vs yourself: <Eyal> Can you take a look at L'Ami's idea posted in the game 7 page? Thanks
Oct-25-08  Ulhumbrus: At move 25 Dennis Monokroussos gives 25.Qc2 Rg8 26.Rd2 Qb6 27.Qc3 Kg7 28.Ne3 ; 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2. Here is a link to his website:

http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/

In the first variation Monokroussos does not say what happens after 28...Rd8. On 29 Ng4 Rxd2 30 Qxd2 Qd4 defends f6 and contests the d file.

In the second variation above on 25 Rf3 Rg8 26 Rd3 Monokroussos does not say what happens if Black tries to contest the d file as in the first variation by 26... Qb6 eg 27 Qd2 Rd8. On 28 Rxd8 Qxd8 29 Qxd8 Nxd8 it is possible that this ending is a draw despite Black's doubled f pawn.

Oct-25-08
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  Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: At move 25 Dennis Monokroussos gives 25.Qc2 Rg8 26.Rd2 Qb6 27.Qc3 Kg7 28.Ne3 ; 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 [...] In the second variation above on 25 Rf3 Rg8 26 Rd3 Monokroussos does not say what happens if Black tries to contest the d file as in the first variation by 26... Qb6> Maybe 27.Qh5.
Oct-25-08
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  KingG: <Personally, I think Kramnik avoided the Catalan possibly for two reasons:

1) He knows that Anand will be well prepared against it.

2) He is only prepared to play against the Slav and Semi-Slav.>

Anand will be well prepared against almost anything. Kramnik is the world's leading expert in the Catalan, and should have been able to come up with some interesting ideas in his preparation. If Kramnik has only prepared for the Slav and Semi-Slav, then I would consider that to be a shocking failure of opening preparation on his part. Anand has played the Nimzo, QID, QGD and QGA plenty of times in his career, so I don't see how Kramnik could just ignore those openings.

Anyway, Kramnik's opening preparation in this match has obviously been a disaster, and for that reason alone he deserves to lose.

Oct-25-08  Ulhumbrus: <KingG> The Slav avoids the Catalan
Oct-25-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: At move 25 Dennis Monokroussos gives 25.Qc2 Rg8 26.Rd2 Qb6 27.Qc3 Kg7 28.Ne3 ; 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 [...] In the second variation above on 25 Rf3 Rg8 26 Rd3 Monokroussos does not say what happens if Black tries to contest the d file as in the first variation by 26... Qb6> Maybe 27.Qh5.> Then 27...Rd8 eg 28 Rxd8 Qxd8
Oct-25-08
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  kp2q: Doesn't Kramnik have a winning attack at the end with 39 h4 planning h5 and h6 with mate on g7?

I don't see why he settled for a perpetual

Oct-25-08  slomarko: its too slow because black can play Rd3.
Oct-25-08
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  Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: At move 25 Dennis Monokroussos gives 25.Qc2 Rg8 26.Rd2 Qb6 27.Qc3 Kg7 28.Ne3 ; 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 [...] In the second variation above on 25 Rf3 Rg8 26 Rd3 Monokroussos does not say what happens if Black tries to contest the d file as in the first variation by 26... Qb6> Maybe 27.Qh5.> Then 27...Rd8 eg 28 Rxd8 Qxd8> 27...Rd8?? loses to 28.Qxf7, of course; Monokroussos' suggested 26...Qc4 is probably the best.
Oct-26-08
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  Eyal: In his commentary at the official site, Amador Rodriguez continues this line as follows: 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 Kg7 29.Ne3 Rd8 30.Rxd8 Nxd8 31.Ng4 Qe7:


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and White maintains some pressure.

Oct-26-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: At move 25 Dennis Monokroussos gives 25.Qc2 Rg8 26.Rd2 Qb6 27.Qc3 Kg7 28.Ne3 ; 25.Rf3 Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 [...] In the second variation above on 25 Rf3 Rg8 26 Rd3 Monokroussos does not say what happens if Black tries to contest the d file as in the first variation by 26... Qb6> Maybe 27.Qh5.> Then 27...Rd8 eg 28 Rxd8 Qxd8> 27...Rd8?? loses to 28.Qxf7, of course; Monokroussos' suggested 26...Qc4 is probably the best.> On 28 Qxf7 Black has 28...Rxd3.
Oct-26-08
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  Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 28 Qxf7 Black has 28...Rxd3.> Surely 29.Qf8# should give White some edge...
Oct-26-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: On 28 Qxf7 Black has 28...Rxd3.> Surely 29.Qf8# should give White some edge...> Then Black's R is tied to the back rank. Black may have to delay 27..Rd8 and try 27...Qe7 first.
Oct-26-08
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  Eyal: The queen is on b6 in this line, it can't go to e7.
Oct-27-08
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  KingG: <Ulhumbrus> <The Slav avoids the Catalan> I know, but Anand didn't play the Slav in this game.
Oct-27-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal > I mean 27...Qc7
Oct-27-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal > I mean 27...Qc7

<KingG: <Ulhumbrus> <The Slav avoids the Catalan> I know, but Anand didn't play the Slav in this game.> My mistake. Kramnik could indeed have played a Catalan by 3 g3.

Oct-27-08
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  Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: I mean 27...Qc7>

It's possible, but after 28.Ne3 Black still won't be able to play 28...Rd8, because of 29.Qh6 (29...Qe7 30.Ng4).

Oct-27-08  Ulhumbrus: <Eyal: <Ulhumbrus: I mean 27...Qc7> It's possible, but after 28.Ne3 Black still won't be able to play 28...Rd8, because of 29.Qh6 (29...Qe7 30.Ng4).> In that case as an alternative to 26...Qb6, 26...Qc5 27 Qh5 Qe7 28 Ne3 Rd8 may be an improvement.
Oct-07-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: This is the analysis of Bridgeburner chessforum

For more info, please go to his forum through the link above.

Oct-07-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: PART 1

<INTRODUCTION>

Kramnik vs Anand, 2008 is the <eighth game of the 2008 title match>.

Quantitative mapping of this game between these players is set out in the posts following. Figures in brackets immediately after each move are the corrected engine evaluations generated on the reverse slide that followed the initial forward slide originating from the first move of the game. This smoothed out many, but not all fluctuation in the engines evaluations, especially in the opening.

<General methods used are described in the bio at the <Bridgeburner chessforum.>

The evaluation values in the opening come at the end of reverse slide back to the starting position from the last move of the game, and are included for completeness. Engine preferences are included throughout the game where they differ from players preferences except in the well trodden opening.

Some analysis is included to provide some idea of the reason for the engine preferences where they didnt coincide with the moves played.

<Summary>

A series of exchanges in the opening released much of the tension in the game at an early stage. The opportunity to raise constructive mischief in the middle game more or less disappeared after White passed up the opportunity to play <20. Na4> with initiative, instead of the lackluster <20. Kh1>. This was a strangely passive game from Kramnik, playing White, 3 games down and in a must-win World Championship situation.

Oct-07-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: PART II

GM Julio Becerras comments are lifted from the game page.

THE GAME

GAME MOVES 1-15

<1. d4 > (=0.14) <1Nf6> (=0.20)

<2. c4> (=0.20) <2e6> (=0.20)

<3. Nf3> (=0.20) <3d5> (=0.21)

<4. Nc3> (=0.21) <4dxc4> (=0.12)

<5. e4> ( 0.28) <5Bb4> ( 0.28)

<6. Bg5> ( 0.27) <6c5> (=0.24)

<7. Bxc4> (=0.24) <7cxd4> (=0.24)

<8. Nxd4> (=0.24) <8Qa5> ( 0.27)

<9. Bb5+> ( 0.27)

This move has a poor record in the Opening Explorer, with White being on the wrong side of the +1 -6 =5 scoreline.

<9Bd7> ( 0.27)

<10. Bxf6> ( 0.27)

<10. Bd2> was played in Carlsen vs Kulaots, 2002, won by Black in 17 moves.

<10Bxb5> ( 0.40)

The only game in the database with this move.

<Engine preference>: <10gxf6> ( 0.27): <11.0-0 Bxc3 12.Bxd7+ Nxd7 13.bxc3 Qxc3 14.Rb1 Nb6 15.Nb5 Qe5 16.Nxa7 Rxa7 17.Rxb6 Qxe4 18.Re1 Qf4 19.g3 Qf5>

<11. Nxb5> (=0.20)

<Engine preference>: <11. Nb3 Qb6 12. Bxg7>

<11gxf6> (=0.20)

<12. 0-0> (=0.20) <12Nc6> (=0.20)

<13. a3> (=0.20) <13Bxc3> (=0.20)

<14. Nxc3> (=0.20) <14Rg8> (=0.20)

<15. f4> (=0.20) <15Rd8> (=0.20)

GM Julio Becerra: <15...Rd8 looks the best for black here but has one problem, he does not have the option to scape with the the K to the queen's side with 000 anymore.>

Oct-07-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: PART III

GAME MOVES 16-27

<16. Qe1> (=0.20) <16Qb6+> (=0.20)

<17. Rf2> (=0.20)

And not <17. Qf2?? Rd2 >

<17Rd3> ( 0.45)

<Engine preference>: <17h5> (=0.20): <17...h5 18.Rd1 Rxd1 19.Qxd1 h4 20.Qf3 a6 21.Kh1 h3 22.gxh3 Ke7 23.b4 Kf8>

<18. Qe2> ( 0.45) <18Qd4> ( 0.45)

<19. Re1> ( 0.27 )

<Engine preference>: <19. Raf1> (0.45): <19a6 20.Kh1 Qe3 21.Qxe3 Rxe3 22.Kg1>

<19a6> ( 0.75)

<Engine preference>: <19Kf8 20. Nb5 Qd7>

<20. Kh1> ( 0.39)

<<<GM Julio Becerra>>: 20.Na4 looks very interesting for white.>

<Engine preference>: <20. Na4>: ( 0.75): <20Rh3 21. Kh1 Rd3 22. Qc2 Re3 23. Rff1>. This option provides many practical chances for White, which the text does not.

<20Kf8> ( 0.39)

<21. Ref1> ( 0.39) <21Rg6> ( 0.39)

<22. g3> (=0.19)

<Engine preference> <22. Qc2> ( 0.39):< 22Rh6 23.Rd1 Rxd1+ 24.Nxd1 f5 25. Nc3>

<22Kg7> ( 0.41)

<Engine preference>: <22...f5> (=0.19): <23.exf5 exf5 24.Qh5 Qf6 25.Kg1 Kg7 26.Qe2 Qd4>

<23. Rd1> (=0.15) <23Rxd1> (=0.15)

<24. Nxd1> (=0.15) <24Kh8> ( 0.39 )

<Engine preference>: <24f5> (=0.15)

<25. Nc3> ( 0.31)

<Engine preference>: < 25.Rf3> ( 0.39): <25Rg8 26.Rd3 Qc4 27.b3 Qc5 28.Qb2 Kg7 29.Ne3 Rd8 30.Rxd8 Nxd8 31.Ng4 Qe7>

<25Rg8> ( 0.31)

<26. Kg2> (=0.08)

<Engine preference>: <26.Rf1> ( 0.31): <26Qc5 27.f5 Qe7 28.Qh5>

<26Rd8> ( 0.28)

<Engine preference>: <26Na5> (=0.08): <27.e5 f5 28.Qd2 Rd8 29.Qxd4 Rxd4>

<27. Qh5> (=0.23)

<Engine preference>: <f5> ( 0.28)

Oct-07-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: PART IV

<27Kg7> (=0.23)

<28. Qg4+> (=0.23 ) <28Kh8> (=0.24)

<29. Qh5> (=0.09) <29Kg7> (=0.23)

<30. Qg4+> (=0.23) <30Kh8> (=0.24)

<31. Qh4> (=0.24) <31Kg7> (=0.24)

<32. e5> (=0.02)

<Engine preference>:): <32.f5> (= (0.24). The game flatlines from here.

<32f5> (=0.03)

<33. Qf6+> (=0.02) <33Kg8> (=0.02)

<34. Qg5+> (=0.02) <34Kh8> (=0.06)

<35. Qf6+> (=0.02 ) <35Kg8> (=0.02 )

<36. Re2> (=0.01 ) <36Qc4> (=0.01 )

<37. Qg5+> ( =0.01) <37Kh8> (=0.00)

<38. Qf6+> (=0.00) <38Kg8> (=0.01 )

<39. Qg5+> (=0.01 ) <39Kh8> (=0.01 )

Drawn. Final position:


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<CONCLUSION>

<The game is weighted at <<0>>, representing no dubious moves, bad moves or blunders by either Anand or Kramnik as defined in weighting methods A and B.>

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