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NN vs François André Philidor
"Pawns Towards the Centre" (game of the day Mar-28-2010)
Analyse du jeu des Échecs (1749), ?
Philidor Defense: Lopez Countergambit (C41)  ·  0-1


Annotations by François André Philidor.

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Mar-28-10  zb2cr: Hi <Jamboree>,

You're correct that 32. g3 is a better move. I ran the position through <Crafty> and didn't find anything stronger than 32. ... Rd2; 33. Bb3, Rg5; 34. Rxe3, Rxc5; 35. Rc3, Rb5 with the threat of advancing the a-Pawn to drive away the White Bishop.

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  kevin86: Good annotation,though quaint. Black dominates this one.
Mar-29-10  sersunzo: This is a fictional game form Philidor's book "l'Analyse du jeu des Échecs"
Apr-06-10  akachan: Reading Philidor's remarks, and looking through old games by the likes of Cochrane, I find it amazing that even fairly recently chess books writers were making out that chess strategy only began to be understood by Morphy and then Steinitz. It seems that many things were already well known by the end of the 18th century, even if yet to be presented in a systematic form.
Feb-26-11  selfmate: I really like Philidor's annotations. Maybe it is just the second person form of address, but I feel like he does a better job (or at least makes a better attempt) of giving practical advise to his reader on how they should play than many modern GMs.
May-01-11  jbtigerwolf: I don't think the game is really over. Can someone please point out the win?
May-01-11  bronkenstein: <jbtigerwolf: I don't think the game is really over. Can someone please point out the win?>

When the attacked white bishop moves , black will take g2 pawn with check , and then several more pawns, even threatening mates in some variations while already having decisive material advantage . No point in playing on , therefore white resigned.

Feb-07-12  Knight13: So what exactly did White do wrong prior to move 20? Would 5. exf5 really make that big of a difference?
Feb-07-12  Shams: <Knight13> I'll offer a thought. One answer to your question is that White didn't stake enough of a claim to the center.

Just look at the position after Black's 8...Bd6:

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White's game already stinks because Black can easily deal with White's only meaningful stab at the center, c2-c4. White's Knights are atrocious. If he drifts some more, White could be strategically lost in a few moves. How did this happen?

White didn't ask enough of his d- and e-pawns. He captured away from the center with exf5, but this is timid when combined with White's d2-d3. More typical and more effective is usually to capture away and then hit out with pawn to d4, in one go if possible.

Happily the only other game in the db in this line sees Anderssen handling the White pieces 129 years later, and he does what I just described. His opponent seems not to have been very strong, so White's play makes a strong first impression. Play through that game a few times.

Anderssen vs K Pitschel, 1878


<newzild><18...e4! is the star move, opening lines and creating an outpost for the knight. Reasonably obvious to anyone familiar with Nimzowitsch, but I'm amazed that Philidor was au fait with the concept.>

Is this the first known game with this canonical pawn sacrifice?

Feb-07-12  Shams: Is the text to be preferred over 11...Be6 keeping the bishop?
Feb-07-12  Knight13: <Shams: More typical and more effective is usually to capture away and then hit out with pawn to d4, in one go if possible.> Are you implying that White's correct line of play would be 6. d4 e4 7. Qe2 Qe7 8. Nfd2 d5 9. Bb3 Nf6 10. c3 ? I like your lucid analysis and explanation, by the way!

<Shams: Is the text to be preferred over 11...Be6 keeping the bishop?> 11... Be6 12. f4 and if 12... e4 then 13. dxe4 dxe4 14. Nxe4 and White wins a pawn. So 12. f4 exf4 13. Qxe7+ Bxe7 14. Bxf4 and White has succeeded in cracking the center. My answer would be that, yes, the text is to be preferred over 11... Be6.

Feb-07-12  Shams: <Knight13> Thanks, I appreciate that. <Are you implying that White's correct line of play would be 6. d4...> Not at all, just that if <exf5/d4> is how White wants to treat the center, he should plan his entire opening around those pawn moves, more or less. Whether he plays them at moves 5/6 or 10/11 depends.

Note the prep moves that Anderssen makes and the ones he doesn't. Why was Anderssen apparently unwilling to abide ...Bf5-g4? He played 8.h3/9.exf5/10.d4. If you want to play 6.d4 in the above position without Anderssen's prepatory h2-h3, can you justify it? These are the questions I ask myself.

On 11...Be6 12.f4 0-0-0 was the move I intended:

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Unless Black gets in trouble on the e-file he should be better.

Feb-08-12  Knight13: <Shams> Understood. Thanks, again! :)
Feb-20-12  waustad: I'd love to see Nimzo's take on this. A lot of the terminology wasn't really there before My System, though in some form Philidor considered some of the issues.
Feb-20-12  RookFile: I've play these Latvian systems every time if I knew white would play timidly with d3 and exf5.
Dec-11-12  Damonkeyboy: Why does he sound like a 18th century version of nimzowitsch? Im pretty sure I saw pawn chains and blockades explained right there.
Jan-08-14  Sebastian88: This is the third game in his book. He give 3 variations of this game. (The first variation is here: NN vs Philidor, 1790)
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  Honza Cervenka: 21.Rf6? was a bit too optimistic as black could play 21...d3! 22.Bxd3 (22.Rxg6 dxe2 is apparently hopeless) 22...Bc5+ 23.Kh1 Qg4 (diagram)

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White cannot avoid heavy loss of material.

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  jnpope: Instructional game given by Philidor in <Analyse du jeu des Échecs>, 1750, pp26-33. Philidor does not identify either player.
Dec-04-15  Solomon2003: who knows the full form of nn
Dec-04-15  john barleycorn: <Solomon2003: who knows the full form of nn>

before I thought it stands for <nomen nescio> for <I don't know the name> but I learned from a kibitzer here that it actually stands for <Not Nakamura>.

Apr-11-16  juanhernandez: very instructional !!!
Oct-06-16  posoo: now DIS is a pag with unotations dat are EXOSTING to read. da old posoo's hed is SPINING.

Dis game is useles and i wod ike to hear som of filador's cumpositions.

Oct-23-17  schnarre: ...Instructional annotations by a classical master of the game!
Nov-27-17  krippp: The principle of development expressed after move <10.O-O> !!?

"Again, it being necessary to observe, as a general rule, that, as it is often dangerous to attack the adversary too soon, here likewise you must be reminded not to be too hasty in your attack, until your pawns are previously sustained by one another, AND ALSO BY YOUR PIECES, otherwise those premature attacks will be unsuccessful, as will be shown by a back-game on this play." -Philidor

Admittedly he isn't clear whether the attacking pawns/piecces should be supported by only some pieces, or by ALL of his pieces, but then again, it varies in practice also... I'm not familiar with Philidor's games but here he seems to complete his development well, with the exception of <16..h5>, which seems slightly paranoid; Morphy would've completed opening development with <16..O-O-O> and if <17.Rg3> then <17..Qe6>.

Great annotations and game anyway, I'm impressed.

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