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|Feb-04-11|| ||AnalyzeThis: Add Reshevsky to the chess list, who enjoyed a plus score over Keres. That's a little detail folks forget to mention.|
|Mar-04-11|| ||Everett: Interesting note that may have been mentioned. While looking through Yusupov's most recent educational book, he analyzes the Lasker Defense. Then, I remembered this was his main defense vs Karpov in their '89 match. Then, Yusupov was Anand's second for his '95 and '98 matches with Kasparov and Karpov. Perhaps this may have further swayed Anand to choose this line...|
|Mar-25-11|| ||parisattack: <tamar: Are there any bigger collapses in the last round of a championship match?>|
Is there a worse any WC match game? This was the game that convinced me to jump off the Topalov bandwagon after almost ten years...no progress whatsoever on his core weaknesses.
|Mar-27-11|| ||tamar: <Is there a worse any WC match game?>|
I think this game will be looked at as the end of Topalov's championship chances.
|Mar-27-11|| ||Phony Benoni: This game might be a worthy contender for The Worst: Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892|
Chigorin, needing a win to tie the match at 9-9 and send it into overtime, is a piece ahead when he falls into mate in two and gives Steinitz the victory by 10-8.
|Apr-16-11|| ||talisman: well i agree with <Phony>...and 31.exf5??|
|Apr-30-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: With the move 17...Nf6!! Anand sets a brilliant positional trap into which Topalov falls. The capture 17 dxc5? concedes to Black much more than it gains. Let us look at its balance sheet.|
Consider first what it gains. It inflicts an isolated c5 pawn on Black and the capture 17...Nxe4 concedes a tempo to White's Queen.
Now consider all the things which this capture concedes to Black. 17 dxc5 loses a tempo for development. It opens the b file for Black's Rook. Black gains by far the more powerful minor piece. The White Queen will have to move again after ...Bb7, and that makes a second tempo lost.
The conclusion is that on balance the capture 17 dxc5? concedes almost the value of a pawn to Black.
Topalov's play which follows this offers a lesson in what happens when a player wants more than a draw from a position where he has little or no advantage, and attempts to start unsound attacks from it, attacks which are based upon positional advantage that is insufficient or non existent.
21 f3? disturbs the King side pawns without necessity. On 21 Nc4 Qg5 22 e4 makes way for Rg3. However that may allow Black to equalize and possibly for this reason Topalov avoids it.
23 g3? disturbs again the King side pawns without necessity. 23 Nf1 may be perfectly safe, but Topalov does not want perfect safety. He wants to play for a win.
After 25...Ba6 it is probably Black who stands better and White who should think of how to equalize, perhaps by 26 Nc4. Topalov does not want it. He plays to win by 26 Ra3. This is an absurd attempt to win from what is fact a disadvantageous position. It is getting serious now because he is playing to attack when he has not only no advantage but perhaps a slight disadvantage. This could easily increase Black's advantage first to a strong degree and then to a winning degree.
27 Nb3? may be the last mistake, persisting in attempting to win from a disadvantageous position. This may increase Black's advantage from a substantial one to a winning one. Topalov has finally gone too far attempting to extract a win from an equal position.
After 27 Nb3 is the move 27...Rc7 necessary?
Suppose that instead of defending the c5 pawn by 27...Rc7 Black offers White the c5 pawn by 27...e5.
This move begins an attack based upon positional advantage. Providing that the attack is not disproportionate to Black's degree of advantage, such an attack is sound and will probably succeed against any defence. In that case it will be therefore too then to save White's game.
On 27...e5 28 Nxc5 Rc7 29 b4 e4 White is in some trouble.
On 28 Qxc5 Qe6 29 e4 g5 30 g4 Bxe4! 31 fxe4 Qxg4+ 32 Kf1 Rd1 is mate.
The advance 30..f5! also begins an attack based upon positional advantage, but as White has been given time to play the moves 29 Nc4 and 30 e4, Black's advantage has become reduced. The attack is still sound providing it is not disproportionate, and in that case it will probably succeed against any defence. However it may now take Black greater trouble to win, if he can do it at all.
The capture 31 exf5 may lose more quickly than 31 Nd2, but 32 Nd2 does not really bring relief. One option for Black which Giri gives - if Black wants to play for more than a draw- is 32...fxe4 33 Nxe4 Rd4. Moreover Black does not have to allow a blockade on e4 by 32...fxe4. 32...Qg5! pins and attacks the N on d2.
|Jun-05-11|| ||DrMAL: I like coming back to this game but am surprised by the (repeated) commentary. There are no traps or mistakes early on, the position is equal up to move 31.exf5 a bit dubious (better was simply 31.Nd2) giving black some edge.|
32.fxe4 was a blunder where 32.Re3 was probably best with some advantage to black (e.g., 32...exf3+ 33.Kg1 Qg5 34.Qc2 Rcd7 35.Re1 Rd3 36.Ne5 Re3 37.Rxe3 Qxe3 38.Qb3+ Qxb3 39.axb3 Rd1+ Rf1) but seemingly a draw.
It seems 36.Nc2 was slightly better than 36.Kh4 but white's position was already lost. Perhaps 36...Qd8+ was better than 36...g5+ and 40...Kh7 was better than 40...Kg7 with maybe a few other nits.
The game is interesting to me for its sophistication, how what initially looks as a small positional mistake under pressure was actually a blunder deciding the match.
|Jun-05-11|| ||sevenseaman: <Dr.Mal> <32.fxe4 was a blunder where 32.Re3 was probably best with some advantage to black (e.g., 32...exf3+ 33.Kg1 Qg5 34.Qc2 Rcd7 35.Re1 Rd3 36.Ne5 Re3 37.Rxe3 Qxe3 38.Qb3+ Qxb3 39.axb3 Rd1+ Rf1) but seemingly a draw.>|
Not quite, the draw is not assured.
40...f2+ 41. Kf2 Rd2+ is quite a poser for White.
i) 42. Kg1 Rg2+ is an immediate disaster with discovered checks.
ii) 42. Ke1 Rxb2 will take a bit longer but Black has enough for a win.
|Jun-06-11|| ||DrMAL: Thanx for looking at the line I gave, it was just an example that looked good to me and I do not claim it is optimal. Rybka 4.1 likes 33.Kf1 better leading to a different line but I would not regurgitate it, particularly since 33.Kf1 seems counterintuitive to place the king on a light square and probably would not be played (I would not).|
Assuming this line with 40.Rf1 (I left off the number), I disagree about 40...f2+ it is not a good move as it exchanges black's attacking f-pawn for one of white's poorly doubled b-pawns, helping white. After 41.Kxf2 Rd2+ the correct move for white is 42.Kd3 activating its king. From here the best black can do is 42...Rxb2 and the position is double-edged with equal chances. Instead of giving my own line here, the following is from Rybka 4.1 after finishing depth d=26 with a dead draw:
[+0.00] d=26 43.f6 Rxb3+ 44.Kd2 gxf6 45.Rxf6 Rb2+ 46.Ke3 Rxh2 47.Rg6+ Kh8 48.Ra6 Rb2 49.Rxh6+ Kg7 50.Rg6+ Kh7 51.Ra6 Rb7 52.g4 Rc7 53.g5 Bg2 54.Rh6+ Kg7 55.Rg6+ Kh7 56.Rh6+ Kg7 57.Rg6+ Kh7 58.Rh6+ (0:15:27) 97676kN
Personally, I like black's position better before 31.exf5 because of bishop versus knight in an open position. I think 31.exf5 was a dubious move as I stated before, where I would have seen and played 31.Nd2 instead. Rybka 4.1 agrees with this.
After 32.Re3 instead of the blunder 32.fxe4, however, I could not find any clear way for black to capitalize on his slight edge. I believe black only had to draw here to retain his title, and that white's attitude before and during the match was overly aggressive even hostile. In this game white kept playing a lost position so I doubt he would have agreed to a draw any time soon anyway, leaving black with more opportunity to win. Viva Vishy!
|Jun-06-11|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <I believe black only had to draw here to retain his title, and that white's attitude before and during the match was overly aggressive even hostile.>|
Well there would have been tie-breaks, and I can't believe Topalov's chances were so horrible there as to justify his reckless moves here.
|Jun-06-11|| ||sevenseaman: Thanks <Dr.Mal>. The Rybka line you have given looks quite convincing for a draw. |
Your points about squandering the attacking 'f' pawn and d3 being the better square for the K to move to are well taken.
My motivation in pawn barter was that it would facilitate the promotion of the 'c' pawn. I attempted this but it is tough for Black to deny a draw as White is in good position to commandeer the 'perpetual' adjunct.
The spice of the game was missing as Vishy did not need a win; I recall that parameter now.
|Jun-06-11|| ||DrMAL: Yes, sorry, there would have been a tie-breaker. Vishy plays with such amazing levelheadedness, indicative of a true champion in my opinion, that I did not remember the latest rules!|
Interesting how Kamsky beat Topalov recently in the Candidates, getting his revenge. I try to keep personalities out of chess, I have met all three players on several occasions and like them all personally to the very limited extent I know them. But I do not particularly appreciate one player making the kind of remarks as Topalov has. It seems such aggression can alter one's play, perhaps it was a key factor in this decisive game. Vishy's decision to play in Bulgaria reflects nicely on his character.
|Jun-06-11|| ||sevenseaman: <Vishy's decision to play in Bulgaria reflects nicely on his character.>|
Yes. At the time I had my misgivings about Sofia, but among World Champions he is 'The Gentleman', to date.
The way he tolerated GK's poor conduct and gamesmanship in the New York Match without showing any cracks in etiquette was proof beyond all doubt that Vishy is a man of breeding first and WC later.
He is my compatriot but I have never had the good fortune to meet him in person. Nevertheless my esteem for his quintessential sportsmanship and good personal ethics has remained undiminished ever since.
|Jun-06-11|| ||bronkenstein: <Nevertheless my esteem for his quintessential sportsmanship and good personal ethics has remained undiminished ever since.>|
The worst thing i've read on Vishy is when Van Wely acused him of ... clicking his pen during the game .
And , according to the same source , he even cleared his throat while NOT on the move . SHOCKING !!! (the story is true , the dutchman actually gave such an interview , acusing everyone and their mother for everything , namely http://www.chessedelic.com/2008/09/... IMO such things speak much more about the author than his targets ...).
Few quotes : <I indicated in an interview with the Volkskrant last year that Anand commits all kinds of dirty tricks to get you off balance: he makes clicking sounds with his pen when it is your move, and strange sounds with his throat > , and
< Q : But are you influenced by it ? I mean, the idea that you consider Anand a dirty dog could have a negative influence on your game. Or a positive one instead ?
A:Unfortunately negative. It especially has an effect if you are under pressure or in a bad position., and that frequently happens against Anand. And when he starts with those tricks again, then it really gets to me. You got to understand, those guys are not naive. They keep on learning. Anand probably learned a lot from Kasparov.>.
|Jun-09-11|| ||DrMAL: Thank goodness I never played Van Wely I may have to sneeze (OMG)! Perhaps I could forfeit my rights to castle or let him take back a move, maybe this would provide absolution.|
|Aug-24-11|| ||sevenseaman: Anand's 30...f5, 31...e4 and 32...Qxe4+ is masterly and gorgeous!|
|Aug-26-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: After the moves 32 Re3 exf3+ 33 Kg1 Qg5 34 Qc2 an alternative to 34...Rcd7 is 34...h5 preparing to attack the g3 pawn by 35...h4|
|Sep-07-11|| ||coolchess1: Anand of today's maturity and psychological stability would have been given Kasparov great fight than he did in 1995. Anand has matured a lot over the years and has proved by winning 3 WC championship titles in 4 years.|
Kasparov no doubt, one of the greatest in chess, may be the best. But, one cannot deny Anand's greatness as well.
|Oct-05-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: My analysis of this key game ... http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera....|
|Feb-18-12|| ||fokers13: <Blunderdome> Akiba was a bad match player(much worse than his usual performance at the very least).And he didn't have the nerves of steel to win essential games either as young Capa proved on several occasions(don't remember the specific games in which Rubin gained a won position almost from the opening and proceeded to draw and/or lose).|
|May-07-12|| ||Judah: <<firebyrd>I think the players should be allowed to bid for white, like: "How much time will you need to be comfortable playing white when Black gets 5 minutes and draw odds?" The one with the lowest bid in minutes gets to play white.>|
I think that's a brilliant idea!
|May-09-12|| ||talisman: move 31 by white... like the ole sign use to say "Nuff said".|
|Nov-24-12|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: Still can't quite wrap my head around the fact that Anand won this thing with the Lasker variation.|
|Apr-02-13|| ||RookFile: The pawn sacrifice(s) to open up the long diagonal by black are about as courageous as you can get in a decisive game like this.|
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