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Levon Aronian vs Hikaru Nakamura
Tal Memorial (2010), Moscow RUS, rd 8, Nov-12
King's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Panno Variation (E63)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Nov-12-10
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  Domdaniel: 49.Nxh7 Nf5+ is tricky. Maybe 49.Be4 first ... ?
Nov-12-10  Eyal: 49. Nxh7 Kxh7 50.Rxf8 Kg6 and Black just wins the pawn back (51.Rf4 Kxg5 52.Rxd4 Nf5+).
Nov-12-10  malthrope: <moronovich: Yeah,now it petters out.A very creative game by both players.>

Yep! We got a good fight with both players fighting hard! ;)

Nov-12-10  Ulhumbrus: 55 Bxg6+ Kh6 56 Bf5+ Kg7 57 Rg6+ Kf7 58 Rxg5 and the players can shake hands.
Nov-12-10  Ulhumbrus: Aronian is pushing his luck. Perhaps he thinks that he can keep a draw while maintaining a chance to win.
Nov-12-10  Marmot PFL: After defending the whole game Naka might as well enjoy the extra pawn, insufficent or not.
Nov-12-10  turbo231: The only player that can win now is Naka I think.
Nov-12-10
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  chancho: Drawn.
Nov-12-10  Eyal: On the other boards, it looks like Mamedyarov is holding against Kramnik (or vice versa...), while Wang Hao might join the leaders by beating Gelfand. That would be Gelfand's 4th loss with Black in 4 games.
Nov-12-10  turbo231: Naka is going to gain a lot of rating points after this game.
Nov-12-10  Ulhumbrus: <chessgames.com> Are you going to switch to another game?
Nov-12-10  whiteshark: Kramnik-Mamedyarov ½-½ agreed
Nov-12-10  BobCrisp: I take it that the current ELO system doesn't take account of game colours. How easy would it be to amend? Could it then be applied retospectively?
Nov-12-10  Ulhumbrus: This is the position reached in the Wang - Gelfand game:


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With his Rook on a6, White threatens to set up a mating net by Kh3 and g4

Nov-12-10  Ulhumbrus: This is the position reached thus far in the Grischuk - Shirov game:


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Perhaps it will come down to a Rook and pawns ending.

Nov-12-10  Tomlinsky: It has. Move 62, White to move...


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Nov-12-10  goldenbear: 8 pages of kibitzing already!? Someone's just going to have to tell me... why not 15.Qe1?
Nov-12-10  ycbaywtb: i doubt if a draw earns many rating points, a couple? if that?
Nov-12-10  goldenbear: I don't where Naka went wrong, but intuition suggests to me that White is on the verge of losing after 15.f3?, which I'm going to attact a question mark to. 15.Qe1 looks equal to my eye, with maybe some practical chances for White.
Nov-12-10  goldenbear: 15.Qe1 ties the queen to d8, frees the route Nd1-e3, and prepares f3-Qe2. Who wouldn't play that?
Nov-12-10  goldenbear: I've been looking at this for a half hour now, and still I hate to post this because I often overlook little things, but assuming I've calculated these complications correctly, then it should be unfavorable for Black to win the pawn after 15.Qe1, for example: 15.Qe1 Bxd2? 16.Qxd2 bxc4 17.Nd1 Bxd1 18.e5!, with advantage to White. No doubt I'm probably missing something...
Nov-12-10  goldenbear: Seems to me that's the only variation for White which exploits the poor position of the knight on a5. If White can't do THAT, then he's already goofed up if you ask me. There. I'm said my peace on this matter.
Nov-12-10  The Rocket: <"I don't where Naka went wrong, but intuition suggests to me that White is on the verge of losing after 15.f3?, which I'm going to attact a question mark to.">

the position was never lost for either side.. how can you possibly think that at such an early stage white is lost when there is even not a material gain for black.

Nov-13-10  Ulhumbrus: 22 Bxf6?! may concede the bishop pair for insufficient compensation, because after this as White is unable to play the move Nd6 advantageously, so as to clear the square e4 for his N on e2.

The move 25...Bc6?! leaves the N on s5 placed badly. Instead of 25...Bc6, 25...Nc6! leaves White with the problem of how to get his N on e2 into play. White's Queen cannot accept the pawn on b5, as on 25...Qxb5?? Nd4 26 Qd3 Bb5 skewers White's Queen to the N on e2.

Nov-15-10  The Rocket: <"22 Bxf6?! may concede the bishop pair for insufficient compensation, because after this as White is unable to play the move Nd6 advantageously, so as to clear the square e4 for his N on e2.">

I also found a very strange move that aronian played, I just dont get why rybka found that to be the strongest.

Fritz 11 for an example doesnt really concider it.. thinks the game goes from white being better to equal play.

Seems fritz in some positions understand strategy better than Rybka.

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