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Aug-21-13
 | | bigmell: Weird game, looks like naks tried to mix a dutch/slav/qgd/dragon and just ended up with a mess. He never got c5 in and his bishop just sat on b7 all game. He could have played c5 as early as move 13 but decided to shuffle pieces around instead :( As one of the best blitz players there is no shame in draw/draw/draw and blowing this guy away in armageddon where he is a huge favorite. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Marmot PFL: I probably misunderstood Korobov with his Russian accent, but it sounded as if he said Nakamura insulted him on ICC and today he got revenge. |
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Aug-21-13
 | | chancho: It looked to me like Korobov slowly punched the stuffing out of Naka (positionally) until he had had enough. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Marmot PFL: <bigmell> I think you are right and if black plays a correctly timed c5 (or even e5!?) he should be OK, but the passive b6 & Bb7 was slow death. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | notyetagm: A Korobov vs Nakamura, 2013 Wow, this is probably the worst game I have *ever* seen Nakamura play, aside from his Black games against Carlsen when Carlsen just obliterates him. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Sihlous: Computer says black is fine by just snatching a pawn with 18...Nxe5 19.fxe5 Qxe5...as said above...strange game. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | notyetagm: A Korobov vs Nakamura, 2013 <Sihlous: Computer says black is fine by just snatching a pawn with 18...Nxe5 19.fxe5 Qxe5...as said above...strange game.> I tried to figure out why Black could not just win a pawn like you pointed out above but could not. The only thing I could see was the <SKEWER> 20 ♗b4-c3 and then <EXPOSING THE KING> with 21 ♗c3x♗g7 ♔g8x♗g7 but that does not lead to anything. But now I see that even that idea does not work because Black has 20 ♗b4-c3 ♕e5-c7 21 ♗c3x♗g7 ♕c7x♗g7. Do not understand why Korobov simply gave away a pawn and Nakamura did not take it. Unless Nakamura was worried about defending his castled kingside position without the fianchettoed bishop. But that looks pretty far-fetched. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Marmot PFL: <Inexplicably overestimating my chances instead of taking a draw with 18...Nxe5. Oh well, life goes on.> |
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| Aug-21-13 | | BUNA: Even Korobov said during the interview that he thought he wouldn't "have sufficient compensation" after 18...Nxe5. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | notyetagm: A Korobov vs Nakamura, 2013 <BUNA: Even Korobov said during the interview that he thought he wouldn't "have sufficient compensation" after 18...Nxe5> I didn't see anything at all. Maybe the <OPEN FILE> the d-file could be a problem. Maybe not. <KORCHNOI> would have snapped off that pawn in a heartbeat, then looked at Korobov and said "So, whatcha got?". :-) |
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| Aug-21-13 | | notyetagm: A Korobov vs Nakamura, 2013 Game Collection: GREED IS GOOD. SOMETIMES. 18 ... Nf7xNe5 19 d4xNe5 Qf6xe5 wins a pawn for almost nothing |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Nerwal: I tend to agree with Nakamura's assessment in this case. After 18... ♘xe5 white can probably make a draw (19. dxe5 ♕xe5 20. ♗d6 followed by f4, and black has still development problems, and going after the second pawn with Bh6 would be very dangerous), even if he may be slightly worse in some lines. |
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Aug-21-13
 | | keypusher: <Nerwal: I tend to agree with Nakamura's assessment in this case. After 18... Nxe5 white can probably make a draw (19. dxe5 Qxe5 20. Bd6 followed by f4, and black has still development problems, and going after the second pawn with Bh6 would be very dangerous), even if he may be slightly worse in some lines.> I don't understand the assessment (which is all in its favor). After 19....Nxe5 20.de Qxe5 21.Bd6 (say) Qf6 I can see that Black has an extra pawn, that one bishop is bad, that he is weak on the dark squares, that he is a little behind in development and his rooks aren't doing much. So White has compensation. Enough? I have no idea. Nor can I see a path to a draw for either side. If I were playing Black, I would probably grab the pawn, but it would never occur to me that I was taking a draw by doing so. What am I missing? |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Nezhmetdinov: Agree with notyetagm, this is barely comprehensible stuff out of Nakamura here, I'd be upset if I played this passively and anti-positionally and I'm RUBBISH. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | dumbgai: <Marmot PFL: I probably misunderstood Korobov with his Russian accent, but it sounded as if he said Nakamura insulted him on ICC and today he got revenge.> Nakamura has insulted many, many GMs on ICC over the years. Several of them have gotten revenge OTB. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | Dragi: Simple is beauty ..This Korobov is some eccentric guy ...who knows maybe Kramnik is next ...But i doubt |
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| Aug-21-13 | | actinia: good. Nakamura needs to be taken down a peg. from this point forth he'll be great. Pride comes before the fall, he was proud and smug as @#$%, now he had a fall, and now he'll be great at chess. |
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| Aug-21-13 | | jphamlore: At this level against the wrong opponent, one slip-up in opening preparation will be mercilessly punished. Take this recent game from the World Cup:
Gelfand vs A Moiseenko, 2013
Moiseenko has played the Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin at least 22 times in serious play http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... and presumably is aware of its nuances. Yet I would say by move 11 at most his position is completely busted positionally, because of Gelfand's preparation. Just look how Gelfand's attack just rolls over Moiseenko after 12. d5. |
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Aug-21-13
 | | HeMateMe: < actinia: good. Nakamura needs to be taken down a peg. from this point forth he'll be great. Pride comes before the fall, he was proud and smug as @#$%, now he had a fall, and now he'll be great at chess. > That's a stupid thing to say. everyone can't be as good as Kramnik and Anand. These are eliminatin matches, someone has to lose, but that doesn't mean Nak was arrogant here, or said he was going to win the event. |
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Aug-22-13
| | keypusher: Looked at this a little bit with Shredder.
Apparently Nakamura's idea with 18....b6 was 19.Nxc6? Bb7 20.d5 ed 21.cd Qxb2+ 22.Qxb2 Bxb2+ 23.Kxb2 Rxe2+. If 24.Rd2? Rxd2+ 25.Bxd2 Bxc6 26.dc Rc8, and now Rc1 fails to 26....Ne5! threatening the pawn on c6 and the fork on d3. I wonder if Nakamura just wasn't very enthusiastic about the pawn-up position after 18....Nxe5 and decided he would rather be a pawn down, underestimating White's 19.Ng4. Later on, 22.c5! is a nice move, squelching black's bishop but seemingly leaving the d-pawn vulnerable. I wondered if Black could get counterplay with 22....a5 instead of the horrible-looking ...b5. But White can just drop the bishop back to c3, because if 22....bxc5 23.dxc5 Qxc5? 24.Bxg6! is crushing. I don't really understand what was going on in the sequence ending around move 34. Nakamura maneuvered his knight to a square where it attacked the d and f pawns, forcing Korobov to trade off his good bishop to get rid of it. But the result of the sequence was a completely hopeless position for Black. Chess is a hard game. |
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Aug-22-13
| | keypusher: I had the same sense I did with some of Nakamura's catastrophes against Carlsen: Naka just shouldn't lose this badly. |
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| Aug-22-13 | | dumbgai: Nakamura's problem is a lack of consistency. On a good day he's capable of beating anyone not named Carlsen, but he seems to have more bad days than most other top GMs. |
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| Aug-22-13 | | coolchess1: Well played by Korobov. It is good to see Nakamura losing the game. Never like Nakamura because of his very arrogant and disrespectful attitude, and I like such people to lose the games. |
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| Aug-22-13 | | coolchess1: Has anyone noticed that Korobov seems pretty unconventional type of chess player in his dressing style etc. You can say a bit of weird style ? |
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| Aug-22-13 | | notyetagm: A Korobov vs Nakamura, 2013 <keypusher: I had the same sense I did with some of Nakamura's catastrophes against Carlsen: Naka just shouldn't lose this badly.> Yep, that is exactly what this game felt like.
Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2011
Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2011
Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2013 |
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