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|Jul-21-16|| ||perfidious: <non rocket scientist....Let's see Nakamura beat Carlsen fair and square.>|
Guess Nakamura vs Carlsen, 2014 would not count as a 'fair and square' win on the other side of the ledger.
Some of this self-justifying fanboy rubbish is comical in its attempts to boost the reputations of those who are clearly great players, as if it were needed.
|Jul-22-16|| ||Eduardo Leon: <perfidious: Guess Nakamura vs Carlsen, 2014 would not count as a 'fair and square' win on the other side of the ledger.>|
That particular game was painful to (not) see. When Naka still had a totally crushing advantage, I was almost ready to celebrate his first win against Carlsen. But I had to do something, so I went away for a while, and when I came back, Naka had already lost. Not even salvaged half a point! I don't have much sympathy for Naka, given his tendency to put his foot in his mouth, but I felt truly sorry for him that day.
|Jul-22-16|| ||perfidious: <Eduardo> That is the sort of game which can damage anyone's confidence.|
|Jul-22-16|| ||The Rocket: <What wasn't fair and square? If as you say, Carlsen messed up, Nakamura played well enough to take advantage.>|
Carlsen did not conduct a strategy that Nakamura saw through. Carlsen instead had an <oversight>. In the game where Nakamura was winning, both players conducted their strategy accordingly, and Nakamura proved inable to handle the resulting complications, and even managed to lose. The game also illustrated that Carlsen could easily play Nakamura in odds chess and score points.
|Jul-22-16|| ||schweigzwang: <fail to conduct a strategy>|
<have an oversight>
<make the last blunder>
<not know the time controls>
<try to ironic the other player>
zzzzzzzzzzz ... they all count.
|Jul-22-16|| ||perfidious: <the genius....Nakamura proved inable (sic) to handle the resulting complications, and even managed to lose. The game also illustrated that Carlsen could easily play Nakamura in odds chess and score points.>|
How many, though, is the question and at what odds?
|Jul-25-16|| ||patzer2: <The Rocket: <Naka is getting better with age.>|
Did you actually view the game? Carlsen had a hallucination in a superior position and lost a pawn for nothing.>
You have a point, in that 21. g5? is inferior to the simple 21. exd5 . However, Nakamura did a masterful job of exploiting Carlson's over- extended Kingside pawns and bringing home the win.
|Jul-25-16|| ||PawnSac: < The Rocket: Let's see Nakamura beat Carlsen fair and square. >|
Since when is taking advantage of your opponents mistakes considered cheating?!! ludicrous
|Jul-25-16|| ||PawnSac: < WorstPlayerEver: Carlsen didn't dare to play 14. e5 >|
I don't see why not.
< game position if white had played 14.e5 >
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Stockfish 7 x64 evals 14.e5 as the best move
40/61 18:50:52 12,211,030k 180k +0.93 e4-e5 Nf6-d7 e5xd6 e7xd6 Bb2xg7 Kg8xg7 Qe1-c3+ Kg7-g8 Rf1-e1 (etc)
Here is the full line appended to the game for fast load in a viewer..
1. e4 c5 2. Ne2 d6 3. Nbc3 a6 4. g3 g6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. d4 cxd4
7. Nxd4 Nf6 8. O-O O-O 9. b3 Nc6 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bb2 Qa5
12. Na4 Bg4 13. Qe1 Qh5 14. e5 Nd7 15. exd6 exd6 16. Bxg7 Kxg7
17. Qc3+ Kg8 18. Rfe1 Rad8 19. Qxc6 Ne5 20. Qd5 g5 21. Nc5 Bf3
22. Ne4 Kg7 23. Qd4 f6 24. Nd2 Bxg2 25. Kxg2 g4 26. c4 Rfe8
27. Qd5 Qf7 28. Rac1 h5 29. Rc3 Qxd5+ 30. cxd5 Kg6 31. Nc4 f5
32. Nxe5+ Rxe5 33. Rxe5 dxe5 34. Rc6+ Kf7 35. Rxa6 Rxd5
36. b4 f4 37. gxf4 exf4 38. a4 Rd7 39. Rc6
|Jul-25-16|| ||PawnSac: perhaps you were thinking that black would have
..Be2 winning the exchange (or so it might seem)?
but after 14.e5 Nd7 15.exd6 Be2?! 16.Bxg7 and SF gives white a +2.4 eval.
In the first two lines white wins a knight, and the 3rd; two outside passed pawns.
35/62 20:49 944,789k 756k +2.42 Bb2xg7 Be2xf1 Bg7xf8 Bf1xg2 Kg1xg2 Ra8xf8 d6xe7 Rf8-e8 Qe1-e4 Nd7-f6 Qe4-d4 Qh5-d5+ Qd4xd5 Nf6xd5 Ra1-e1 f7-f6 Na4-c5 Kg8-f7 Nc5xa6 Re8xe7 Re1xe7+ Kf7xe7 c2-c4 Nd5-c3 a2-a4 Ke7-d6 Kg2-f3 f6-f5 a4-a5 c6-c5 b3-b4 c5xb4 Na6xb4 Nc3-e4 Kf3-e3 Kd6-c5 Nb4-d3+ Kc5xc4 a5-a6 Ne4-c3 a6-a7 Nc3-d5+ Ke3-f3 Nd5-b6 Nd3-f4 Kc4-c5 Nf4-e6+ Kc5-d5 Ne6-c7+ Kd5-d4 a7-a8Q Nb6xa8
36/62 27:56 1,274,461k 760k +2.40 Bb2xg7 Be2xf1 Bg7xf8 Bf1xg2 Kg1xg2 Ra8xf8 d6xe7 Rf8-e8 Qe1-e4 Nd7-e5 h2-h3 Re8xe7 f2-f4 Re7-e6 f4xe5 Re6xe5 Qe4-g4 Qh5xg4 h3xg4 Re5-e2+ Kg2-f3 Re2xc2 Na4-b6 h7-h6 Nb6-c4 Kg8-g7 Nc4-e3 Rc2-b2 Kf3-e4 Rb2-d2 Ne3-c4 Rd2-g2 a2-a4 Rg2xg3 Nc4-e3 Rg3-h3 Ra1-c1 h6-h5 Rc1xc6 h5xg4 Rc6xa6 f7-f5+ Ke4-d4 Rh3-g3 b3-b4 f5-f4 Ra6-a7+ Kg7-f6 Ne3-d5+ Kf6-f5
37/62 51:07 2,352,489k 767k +2.51 Bb2xg7 Kg8xg7 d6xe7 Rf8-e8 Bg2xc6 Ra8-a7 Qe1-c3+ f7-f6 Na4-c5 Nd7xc5 Bc6xe8 Ra7xe7 Be8-c6 Be2xf1 Ra1xf1 Nc5-d7 Qc3-b4 Qh5-c5 Qb4xc5 Nd7xc5 Rf1-d1 Re7-c7 Bc6-g2 a6-a5 Kg1-f1 g6-g5 Rd1-d5 Kg7-f7 Bg2-h3 a5-a4 Bh3-f5 a4xb3 c2xb3 h7-h5 Kf1-e2 Kf7-e7 b3-b4 Nc5-a4 Rd5-a5 Na4-c3+ Ke2-d2 Ke7-d6 Bf5-d3 Nc3-d5 a2-a3 Kd6-e6 Kd2-e2 Nd5-c3+ Ke2-d2
|Jul-25-16|| ||Absentee: <The Rocket:
Let's see Nakamura beat Carlsen fair and square.>
Why, was this an odds game?
|Jul-25-16|| ||PawnSac: < ajile: Actually my idea doesn't gain anything since after the exchanges Black has ..Nxg4 taking advantage of the now abandoned long a1-h8 diagonal and rook on a1. In fact in the position below Black is slightly better. >|
agreed. In fact, after 16. Bc1 g5 Stockfish 7 prefers the simple 17. Rb1
to get the rook off that diagonal. Note also that the eval drops.
31/45 13:13 518,881k 654k +0.15 Ra1-b1 Bh3xg2 Kg1xg2 Qh6-g6 h2-h3 Nf6-d7 Bc1-d2 Bg7-f6 c2-c4 Rf8-b8 Rb1-d1 h7-h6 Rf1-h1 Qg6-g7 Bd2-c3 Nd7-e5 c4-c5 d6xc5 Bc3xe5 Bf6xe5 Na4xc5 Be5-d4 Nc5-d3 a6-a5 Rd1-c1 a5-a4 b3-b4 Qg7-f6 h3-h4 Rb8-b5 h4xg5 h6xg5 Rc1-c2 Ra8-d8 Qe1-g3 a4-a3 Rc2-c4
Magnus played it correctly with 16.Rad1 and about + 0.5 - 0.6 eval
|Jul-25-16|| ||PawnSac: < sudoplatov: The idea of the St George attack along the h-file doesn't work as well after White fianchettoes the KB and Castles. >|
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Yes, h4 is somewhat of a lemon. That Magnus would choose to weaken the dark squares around his K seems inexplicable. Is he still on a Q hunt? or have imaginings of using the H file against the black monarch? It seems more prudent to keep the pawn on h2 in order to answer ..h7-h5 with h3.
Examining the position after blacks 8th move:
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Objectively, white has some positional defects to address:
Strengthening d5 is a consideration, since black threatens ..d5 (eyeing c2, so c2-c4 is a candidate move.
Also, The Na4 is not well placed. The old maxim goes..
< When you don't know what else to do, improve the position of your worst placed piece.>
In this case, a regrouping of the N is indicated. If I had to pick an ideal square on which to place the knight, e3 certainly jumps out as a strong one, where it would guard c2 and eye d5 and f5 as well as support g4 after an h7-h5 thrust. Ideas like Na4-b6-c4-e3 come to mind. Yea, white could use b2, but i like the idea of Nb6 to gain a tempo for the transfer. So after a sequence like.. 19.Nb6 Rab8 20.Nc4 h5 21.h3 ..
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... The white knight is in reach of e3 AND exerts a restraining force on the d pawn since ..d5? Ne5! with c6/Qg6 fork. The Nc4 also supports an e5 thrust so complicates blacks defense by introducing tactical possibilities. In addition the white Q can also utilize the e3 square for an attack on g5 and possibly the Q side dark squares. For example..
Let's suppose after 19.Nb6 black decided to play ..Rad8 with a more ambitious plan (as i think we could expect from Naka) the b6 square could provide an entry point for the white Q from e3.
So pragmatically speaking; 19.Nb6 seems a much more principled move that keeps a broader array of tactics alive without exposing the white K to dangerous maneuvers.
|Jul-25-16|| ||pinoy king: Carlsen disgraced.|
|Jul-31-16|| ||The Rocket: Yes, this was an odds game of a completely decisive pawn in the middle game, which Carlsen would have never entered unless there was a forced win- which he wrongly believed optically. Whites position sucks after f4. No GM would enter that with a fight state of mind, I don't like the h4 continuatiin either for that matter. c4 is the correct path,|
|Jul-31-16|| ||Jambow: <The Rocket> Carlsen had a slight advantage for a good portion of the game Nakamura held on waited for Carlsen to make a mistake, when he did Nakamura played flawlessly and so won a positional game against the maestro. You could do the math and get the objective odds between them and Nakamura should have won more not less games. |
You are making someone look ridiculous but it's not Nakamura or Carlsen. If my guy wins it is because he is better if the guy I don't like it is because he got lucky. First time that has happened here on cg.com utterly unique perspective, thanks for the insight...
|Aug-23-16|| ||yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/vSfsngD0
this game multiPV
|Apr-02-17|| ||morfishine: Naka was bound to win eventually, I was just mildly surprised it happened with Black|
|Apr-02-17|| ||Domdaniel: Many of Carlsen's moves look ugly to me. I like paradoxical moves, I enjoy weird moves. I appreciate eccentric moves ... but 'ugly' doesn't do it for me.|
That said, ugly seems to work most of the time for Mag. This is one of the exceptions.
|Apr-02-17|| ||Marmot PFL: After this game Nakamura drew all the rest, and Carlsen went on to win the tournament.|
|Apr-03-17|| ||perfidious: In the world of one particular So-bot, Nakamura's achievement was the more impressive, as he ploughed through the event undefeated--never mind that Carlsen went +4 =5 the rest of the way for yet another victory.|
|Apr-03-17|| ||SirRuthless: Nakamura kept his calm and slayed his demon. According to many people, the Norwegian slayed himself but that is virtually the same considering how many good to winning positions Nakamura had blown in the past. Nice GOTD title.|
|Apr-03-17|| ||HeMateMe: terrific game. What does the phrase "Indian sign" signify?|
|Apr-03-17|| ||SirRuthless: Being under an (american 'red' ) indian sign means you have a pox, hex, spell, curse or some variety of voodoo cast upon you. It's just a figure of speech and remnant of the old west days when the tribal nations battled the white man across the plains. It has a mildly offensive connotation but it's fitting for this.|
|Apr-03-17|| ||perfidious: <HMM>, when one player has another's number.|
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