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Viswanathan Anand vs Fabiano Caruana
Tata Steel (2018), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 3, Jan-15
Russian Game: Classical Attack. Staunton Variation (C42)  ·  1-0
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Jan-17-18  jphamlore: Caruana got caught by both Anand and Mamedyarov in late middle games with time running down and Queens still on the board. It just is not his strength to be able to quickly and accurately calculate the tactics in these positions. These types of positions are still Anand's wheelhouse, which is why Carlsen was careful to almost never allow Anand to reach these types of positions in both of their world championship matches. And Mamedyarov when he is in form is also quite capable at this type of calculation.

But for Candidates I expect Caruana to play much more closed Ruy Lopez and Queen's Gambit Declined lines, and I still think he should be one of the favorites to win it.

Jan-17-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> On your comment: <...When he was young Anand was one of the world's best tacticians> He is young and he is one of the world's best tacticians>

Touché, bravo! He does seem very young for his age, doesn't he?

Jan-17-18
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  Richard Taylor: <ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> On your comment: <...When he was young Anand was one of the world's best tacticians> He is young and he is one of the world's best tacticians>

Touché, bravo! He does seem very young for his age, doesn't he?>

Chesswise and I believe with mathematicians and so on being over 30 has often seemed to old. But of course "too old" is rather vague. I mean really the difficulties for a player at his level against younger players.

But at the moment he does and he is an impressive player overall. As he devloped I felt he got too theory bound as if trying to emulate Kasparov. Kasparov had a psychological power that was more than his ability, or part of it. Anand is a really nice fellow but it seems you need (sadly perhaps) to be more ruthless (perhaps at least on the chess board per se). Also going into his match with Kasparov he got a rough time. I think his real ability is and has been among the best players.

Jan-17-18
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  Richard Taylor: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> On your comment: <...When he was young Anand was one of the world's best tacticians> He is young and he is one of the world's best tacticians> Yes. A witty answer indeed! True in relative terms. And of course he is still very good. He did well at the Rapids...a recent tournament he won I think it was a Rapid.

Of course he is young, if he came to my country to play he would probably not lose a game for the next 40 years or more! I myself. I think I played my best chess in my life in the years leading up to 2010 when I was 60! My rating went up 150 points (in NZ). Now I approach 70 and there are still many players older than me. But I have decided to stop playing competitive chess.

I might dabble. Of course I never got anywhere near even being an FM let alone and IM or anything and I lacked the talent to do much. But chess is still obviously an interest.

I believe Anand is widely read and knows a lot about history and other things. I would like to read a biography of his life aside from chess.

Giri has a book with some games in (they are all a bit dull!) but his life is interesting. Giri IS young and he still has time to flower....that hot wife of his will make sure of that if she doesn't cause him problems and send him mad. Women do that. Send you mad or they are good for you....something like that. I wonder if Anand is doing more exercise and watching his diet. That is a factor. Physical and psychological fitness are important. Also the way one approaches a tournament.

Jan-17-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Richard Taylor> Here he is doing his Kasparov imitation: https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qi...

Don't you think it's possible that there's a difference between mathematical age and "real age", though, in the sense that some people stay young much longer than others? I don't mean to be nasty but compare Anand to Kasparov, for example.

Jan-17-18
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  Richard Taylor: I know long computer lines are a fag but it seems a better move for Caruana was maybe 16. ... a5 16. ... d4 led to difficulty. I can see why just yet.

After 16. ... a5

if say 17. Nd3 axb4 18.axb4 Rxa1 19.Bxa1 Na6 20.Bxg6 hxg6 21.Qc3 Ne6 22.g3 Qg5 is one possible proceeding.

Jan-17-18
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  Richard Taylor: It looks as though in fact, now I look at the game closer, 16. ... d4? is almost a losing mistake as after 17. f4 Black really has to concede material. (If now 17. ...Ne6 18. f5 forks two pieces).

But if say he had played 16. ... a5 then after 17 f4 then Ne4 is possible as the pawn on d5 is able to anchor his piece. Cause and effect!

Jan-17-18
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  Richard Taylor: <morfishine: <Richard Taylor> On your comment: <...When he was young Anand was one of the world's best tacticians> He is young and he is one of the world's best tacticians>

Yes. By the way. I keep wanting to take a drink from that coffee beside you...

Jan-18-18  yurikvelo: <Why not 14.fxe4? I don't see an answer for Black>

14. fxe4? Bxe5!

https://pastebin.com/40Wnc8tN <---- multiPV

Jan-18-18  WorstPlayerEver: 15... a5=
Jan-18-18
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  ChessHigherCat: ChessHigherCat: <RichardTaylor> I couldn't believe nobody commented on 14. fxe4 either. Here's the line I found, which leaves black with a 4- or 5-point advantage (depending on how you count two rooks), but there may be better: 14. fxe4 Bxe5 15. dxe5 dxe4 16. Bxe4 Qd4+ 17. Kh1 Qxa1 18. Bb2 Bxe4 19. Qc3 Qxb1 20. Rxb1 Bxb1 21. e6 Nxe6

I should say depending on how you count the queen (9 or 10 points), since 2 rooks are always counted as 10)

Jan-18-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <WPE: 15... a5=> You must be looking at a different line. Black has to play 15...Bxe5 16. dxe5 Qd4+ to win the piece back.
Jan-18-18  WorstPlayerEver: <CHC>

Uhm no. 15... a5 16. fxe4? dxe4, Black threatens Qd4+ by the way :)

Jan-18-18
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  ChessHigherCat: I still don't know what line you're talking about. This is the line I had:

14. fxe4 Bxe5 15. dxe5 dxe4 16. Bxe4 Qd4+ 17. Kh1 Qxa1 18. Bb2 Bxe4 19. Qc3 Qxb1 20. Rxb1 Bxb1 21. e6 Nxe6

Instead of winning the piece back with 15....dxe4 (followed by Qd4+, as you say), you suggest 15...a5 which doesn't win anything.

Jan-18-18  WorstPlayerEver: <CHC>

The game line. Otherwise I would make a reference.

Jan-19-18  FSR: I tried to switch the pun I submitted, <Tata for Now>, to <Dutch Treat>, but found that someone had beaten me to the latter pun. I hope <Dutch Treat> wins: unlike <Tata for Now>, it has never been used before.
Jan-19-18  yurikvelo: <which leaves black with a 4- or 5-point advantage> your 4 consecutive white mistakes drop white position very fast

14. fxe4? (c5!) Bxe5! 15. dxe5 dxe4 16. Bxe4? (Be3!) Qd4+! 17. Kh1? (Rf2!) Qxa1 18. Bb2??? (Nc3!)

after 16. Be3, black are pawn up, but no easy win for black.

Jan-19-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <yurikvelo> Well the first mistake fxe4? was a given since that's what <Richard Burton Elizabeth Taylor> was asking about. For the others, I would have looked harder for better moves for white, but since you said fxe4? Be5! with the exclamation point I thought there must be some big advantage. Thanks for showing me the best moves, anyway.
Jan-19-18  yurikvelo: Bxe5! is win for black. With positional advantage, black slowly crush queenside structure and have 2 passers. A long way of precise moves, between human players many chances to draw for white.

But if white help with Bxe4, Kh1 and Bb2 - black win is very fast.

Jan-19-18
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  Richard Taylor: <ChessHigherCat: ChessHigherCat: <RichardTaylor> I couldn't believe nobody commented on 14. fxe4 either. Here's the line I found, which leaves black with a 4- or 5-point advantage (depending on how you count two rooks), but there may be better: 14. fxe4 Bxe5 15. dxe5 dxe4 16. Bxe4 Qd4+ 17. Kh1 Qxa1 18. Bb2 Bxe4 19. Qc3 Qxb1 20. Rxb1 Bxb1 21. e6 Nxe6

I should say depending on how you count the queen (9 or 10 points), since 2 rooks are always counted as 10)>

Yes that line is logical. I was tired when I first saw that and just used the onboard machine. I assume it is a well known "trap" which both players knew.

And, as above,I think that 16. ... d4 is bad and leads to a poor position for Black.

Jan-19-18  WorstPlayerEver: <Richard Taylor>

Yep, 16... d4 is bad. 16... a5=

Jan-19-18  yurikvelo: a6, a5, Bxd3, h6 are =
+0,24 16. ... a6 17.Nd2 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 a5 19.f4 Ne4

+0,25 16. ... a5 17.f4 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 Ne4 19.Nd2 axb4

+0,26 16. ... Bxd3 17.Qxd3 a5 18.f4 Ne4 19.Nd2 axb4

+0,29 16. ... h6 17.Nd2 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 a5 19.Rab1 axb4

.................

+0,82 16. ... d4 17.f4 Nd5 18.fxg5 Ne3 19.Qd2 Bxd3

Feb-10-18
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4: d 27 dpa

1. = (0.06): 16...a5 17.f4 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 Ne4 19.Nd2 axb4 20.axb4 Rxa1 21.Bxa1 Nxd2 22.Qxd2 h6 23.Bb2 Nb5 24.f5 d4 25.f6 Re8 26.fxg7 Qg5 27.Qf4 Qxf4 28.Rxf4 Rxe5 29.Bxd4 Nxd4 30.Rxd4 Re1+ 31.Kf2 Rb1 32.Kg3 Rb2 33.Kf4 Kxg7 34.g4 Kf6 35.h3 Rf2+ 36.Ke4 Rb2 37.h4 Rb1 38.Kf4 Rb2 39.Ke4 Rb1

2. = (0.06): 16...Bxd3 17.Qxd3 a5 18.f4 Ne4

Feb-10-18
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4:

14.cxd5 Bxe5 15.dxe5 Qxd5 16.Bb2 Ng5 17.Bxg6 hxg6 18.Nd2 Nge6 19.Nc4 Nd4 20.Bxd4 Qxd4+ 21.Kh1 Rad8 22.Nd6 Nd5 23.Rfe1 Rd7 24.Rac1 Rfd8 25.Re4 Qb6 26.Rce1 Re7 27.Qd2 Red7 28.Nc4 Qb5 29.Qc2 Re7 30.Rd1 Qa6 31.Qb3 g5 32.Nd6 Qb6 33.Qc4 Qf2 + / = (0.46) Depth: 25

Feb-10-18
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4

11...Bxe5 12.dxe5 Nac5 13.f3 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 Nc5 15.Qd4 Nb3 16.Qxg4 Nxa1 17.Bh6 g6 18.Bxf8 Qxf8 19.cxd5 Qc5+ 20.Kh1 Nc2 21.Qd7 Ne3 22.Rg1 cxd5 23.e6 fxe6 24.Qxe6+ Kf8 25.Qf6+ Kg8 26.Qe6+ Kf8 = (0.00) Depth: 25

11...Bxe5 12.dxe5 Nac5 13.f3 Nxd3 14.Qxd3 Nc5 15.Qd4 Nb3 16.Qxg4 Nxa1 17.Bh6 g6 18.Bxf8 Qxf8 19.cxd5 Qc5+ 20.Kh1 Nc2 21.Qd7 Ne3 22.Rg1 cxd5 23.e6 fxe6 24.Qxe6+ Kf8 25.Qf6+ Kg8 26.Qe6+ Kf8 = (0.00) Depth: 26

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