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Fabiano Caruana vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018), London ENG, rd 3, Nov-12
Sicilian Defense: Nezhmetdinov-Rossolimo Attack. Fianchetto Variation (B31)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Nov-13-18
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  SugarDom: <It is true that Carlsen often seeks to avoid wild complications, but that doesn't mean he is not able to play them! I dare say that Magnus is more than capable of matching Caruana's admittedly superb calculating skills in such positions, if he should have to.>

This is like boxing. Of course, the better fighter can mix it up, but he won't, because he might get hit by a lucky punch.

Nov-13-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <SugarDom> Exactly. Carlsen likes to steer away from complications, because they make the game more unpredictable. He prefers a more calm, positional game where he can make use of his deep positional understanding.

But his calculating abilities is second to none. Looking at Caruana's games, I see no proof that he should be superior to Carlsen in that area.

Nov-13-18  Jambow: <It is true that Carlsen often seeks to avoid wild complications, but that doesn't mean he is not able to play them! I dare say that Magnus is more than capable of matching Caruana's admittedly superb calculating skills in such positions, if he should have to.>

Magnus is excellent in all aspects of play, in wild complications Caruana is still better and that is where the game swings to his favor.

They have virtually identical ratings Caruana must be doing somethings better than Magnus or do you suppose he has been purchacing his rating points on Ebay? Do you really think Magnus is better in all types of positions?

No in my opinion the genius of Magnus has been his nuanced venemous endgame and the abillity to steer it to that arena. I will say the last couple of years Magnus has altered his style a bit and improved in a more open tactical game. Seems it has been on purpose, but it has come at a price as he hasn't dominated as much as he used to either.

Nov-13-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <Jambow: They have virtually identical ratings Caruana must be doing somethings better than Magnus or do you suppose he has been purchacing his rating points on Ebay? Do you really think Magnus is better in all types of positions?>

His opening preparation is superior to Magnus. That is one area where I favour Caruana. There may be other areas, your point is well taken.

Nov-13-18  Fanques Fair: I was rooting for Caruana, but if tomorrow he plays this unambitious and colorless move 4-Bxc6, IŽll root for the World Champion instead. Actually, as we cannot see the match unless pay for it , and all these colorless and boring draws, the interest on th match, at least in my personal point of view, will decrease.
Nov-13-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Fanques Fair: I was rooting for Caruana, but if tomorrow he plays this unambitious and colorless move 4-Bxc6>

See Yermolinski on 4 Bxc6. He thinks it's an improvement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFd...

Anyway, move 4 in a common opening is something they both probably analysed to death when they were 8 years old, it's hard to criticize (or rather it's too easy to criticize, but as to finding a better move...)

Nov-14-18  Fanques Fair: <ChessHigherCat> I donŽt agree. Regardless of the objetive evaluation of the move in computer analysis, there is nothing wrong with not exchanging the light-squared bishop without having to, and , furthermore, Caruana is the one who needs to win at least one game, and simplifying the position and exchanging a potentially strong bishop for a knight in the opening makes not much sense if you want to lead the game to a more sharp play. If Caruana has a chance to outplay Carlsen, in my opinion , itŽs in this kind of positions, not the technical ones in which the World Champion has no equal. I have large experience in playing the Rossolimo with White and I am of the opinion that the light-squared bishop may reveal itself as a strong weapon in a more complex manouvering opening fase.
Nov-14-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Fanques Fair> I always won with black in informal games in this opening when white played BxN, and it seemed to me like it was a waste to trade a B for a N just for the doubled pawn, but I'm no great theorist so I don't think it means much for championship play. To be fair, what Yermolinsky really seemed to be saying was that Caruana should avoid this opening completely, but since he didn't, he had to do something differently from the first game, where Carlsen gained the advantage in 20 moves.
Nov-14-18
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  moronovich: <ChessHigherCat: <Fanques Fair> I always won with black in informal games in this opening when white played BxN, and it seemed to me like it was a waste to trade a B for a N just for the doubled pawn, but I'm no great theorist so I don't think it means much for championship play. To be fair, what Yermolinsky really seemed to be saying was that Caruana should avoid this opening completely, but since he didn't, he had to do something differently from the first game, where Carlsen gained the advantage in 20 moves.>

In connection with the first game none less than a certain G.Kasparov was in the studio with Yaz and Co.And and had the same conclusion about this line:White gets a swift developement,all his pawn and pieces "in the right places"-and then what?.Just as we saw in the actual game.Almost a tiny zugzwang for white(who probably should have inserted a4 on an earlier stage).The pair of bishops are not only attacking assets,but also excellent in the prophylactic phase.

As <CHC>,I also have difficulties believing that an unprovoked Bb5xNc6 is the right setup in this opening. At least in the long run.

Nov-14-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <moronovich: <CHC>,I also have difficulties believing that an unprovoked Bb5xNc6 is the right setup in this opening. At least in the long run.>

Yes. Openings where White gives up the bishop pair early are not so common, and there is a good reason for that, I suppose. For instance, giving up the LSB in the Ruy Lopez has never been very popular, at least in modern times. And at least in the exchange Ruy, Black plays ...a6, here in the Rossolimo, White has not even been provoked, so it certainly looks dubious and a bit premature.

Interestingly, there are more opening variations where Black gives up the bishop pair early than where White does the same. For instance, in the Two Knights Attack of the Caro-Kann (1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bxf3), and the Saemisch Variation of the Nimzo-Indian (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+), Black is often more than happy to concede the bishop pair early.

But it seems less attractive, and less logical, when playing White.

Nov-14-18
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  moronovich: Right <Count> !

But at the same time it is good not beeing too atached to the bishops.Several of the strongest have found out that BXN!(at the right moment) is actually a way of creating big unbalances and hence improving the chances for a fight.Often the setups with B+B vs B+N changes the whole course of the game and often even rather high rated players stick too much to the (in?;)famous Bishoppair.Like "How do you feel today comrade Shacksky?"."I feel bad.I just lost my game.But I had the bishoppair"...Well that must be some kind of consolation,no?"Yes,it was and next time when I promote IŽll take another bishop!".."Good news,comrade!""And then you may have 3 bishops"

The both had a good laugh.And felt juvenated and ready for a new game.

Chess is all according to circumstances IMHO.

It is now what we change on the board that matters,but what is left,when we have done it.

E.g. <Count>.You give me 40 well hung ladies and in trade I give you 1000 botttles of the best whiskey.Who have made the best deal ? Well,let us say all the ladies went home at once and all your bottles stayed in your wine cellar.Just waiting for a nice italian evening with your wife….No doubt you got the best end of the deal.

So BxN ! when done in and antidogmatic situation,can be the key to succes and further improvement.

Nov-14-18
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  moronovich: *now* should have been:not.
Nov-14-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <moronovich> Great comments, but *well-hung ladies* should be "well-built ladies"
Nov-14-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <CHC> Good to see you back! Yeah, I think "well-hung" ladies may mean a very special kind of..ehh.."ladies", you know, more the Caitlyn Jenner sort..I don't think that was <moro>'s intention :)

<moronovich> Your 'ladies vs whiskey' dilemma is interesting. I guess if all the ladies decide to leave, then who is to say they will ever come back? While the whiskey is safely stored in the cellar for future use, so..I guess I'd go for the booze. It would also have been a lot easier to explain to my wife.

<So BxN ! when done in and antidogmatic situation,can be the key to succes and further improvement.>

You know, I remember Magnus himself has stated the same thing; that the bishop pair is sometimes overestimated. I guess it all depends on "the concrete aspects of the position", as one of the old Soviet School of Chess sayings goes. So you're right, of course. One mustn't be too dogmatic about these things. Still sceptical about the Rossolimo 4.Bxc6, though.

Nov-14-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <Cw> Thanks! Yeah, these days "well-hung ladies" are the kind that make people say "if she looks too good to be real, she probably isn't".

The thing to remember about dogmatic principles is that they are ONLY CORRECT EXACTLY 87.21543% OF THE TIME!

Nov-14-18
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  moronovich: Well-hung ladies may be a construction,but if you have met my old flame Lady Latitta from the neuvieme arondissement in Paris,rue du Chat du Haute 69,the year of 1972,you would know what I meant.

Unfortunately I have no pictures and there are these posting guide lines.

Nov-14-18  boz: <...But I had the bishop pair> Lol!
Nov-14-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <moronovich: Unfortunately I have no pictures..>

You may not have pictures, but I guess you'll always have Paris..

Olala l'Amour!

Nov-14-18
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  moronovich: <Count Wedgemore: <moronovich: Unfortunately I have no pictures..> You may not have pictures, but I guess you'll always have Paris.. Olala l'Amour!>

Mais,qui ! Les memoires….

Nov-14-18
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  ChessHigherCat: I agree with <Orange Tulip> that 12 games is much too short. If there were 20 games or so Caruana could eventually get into the groove and score a big winning (or losing) streak.

<Count Wedgemore> and <Moronovich>, speaking of which, you guys should read this crazy story I just finished ("His Excellency") where a snobby, ice-cold English ambassador confesses his wild obsession with a young Parisian acrobat(e) in his youth: https://archive.org/details/in.erne...

Nov-15-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <CHC: I just finished ("His Excellency") where a snobby, ice-cold English ambassador confesses his wild obsession with a young Parisian acrobat(e) in his youth>

Somerset Maugham..great storyteller. Never got to read his major novels (like Human Bondage, Razor's Edge), but I've enjoyed his short stories. Can't remember this one though.

Like Ian Fleming, Maugham had been a spy. So I guess he knew what he was talking about when he wrote about it.

Thanks for the literary tip, <CHC>!

Nov-15-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <CW> My pleasure. Ashenden is a semi-autobiographical spy novel but each chapter can be read as a short story (although it would be best to read the whole book, of course, which is available at that link).

Just so this comment won't be considered off topic, I should mention that the whole book is actually a coded chess game (just kidding).

Nov-15-18
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  moronovich: Thannks for the tip <CHC> ! IŽll keep that in mind for the future.
Back then,her real name was not lady latittia as you figured out,but she was an american folk singer and some spice was added as her uncle in these very days,was together with Timothy Leary,the most haunted and wanted man in USA. We felt almost as we were on the run ;)
Nov-19-18
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  ChessHigherCat: <moro> I have a book (I haven't read yet) called "The Harvard Psychedelic Club" about T.L., Ram Dass, Huston Smith and Andrew Weil. Was her uncle one of those guys?
Nov-19-18
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  moronovich: <ChessHigherCat: <moro> I have a book (I haven't read yet) called "The Harvard Psychedelic Club" about T.L., Ram Dass, Huston Smith and Andrew Weil. Was her uncle one of those guys?>

Good morning <CHC> ! and thanks for asking. I dont recall his name,but hers was Kathleen Roberts.

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