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   Chessgames Bookie has kibitzed 1273 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jul-31-15 British Championships (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: 2 bets for R6 of the British Chess Championship are open: British Chess Championship Rd 6: Emms - Howell British Chess Championship Rd 6: Gormally - Hawkins There are also bets on the Politiken Cup: Politiken Cup Rd 9: Daily Double Politiken Cup Rd 9: Naroditsky
 
   Jul-30-15 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: < scout: ...Your inaugural stint as chessbookie could end with heavy betting in a Caruana/Nakamura/So/Yu Yangyi/Wang Hao/Vallejo slam-bang! > Or it could end with the combo of Topalov/Nakamura/Caruana/Giri/Kramnik/So World Cup thing. ;) Anyway, I think I'm going to ...
 
   Jul-28-15 Biel (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: R8 only had 4 bets, but there will be <nine> bets for Round nine. As always, there's the regular game bets and P3: Biel Chess Festival Rd 9: Adams - Wojtaszek Biel Chess Festival Rd 9: Navara - Vachier-Lagrave Biel Chess Festival Rd 9: Rapport - Eljanov ...
 
   Jul-26-15 Annie Kappel (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: I second that! - Penguin
 
   Jul-16-15 Wei Yi (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Hey folks! Just like to interrupt to make an ad. (don't worry, I won't always be advertising) In case you didn't know, the ChessBookie Game has just started a new leg. It's not too late to join. In fact, the leg is only about 3% over. The game is <free> to play ...
 
   Jul-16-15 China-Russia Match (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Hey folks! Just like to interrupt to make an ad. (don't worry, I won't always be advertising) In case you didn't know, the ChessBookie Game has just started a new leg. It's not too late to join. In fact, the leg is only about 3% over. The game is <free> to play ...
 
   Jul-04-15 Dortmund (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: ♔♔ <LAST CALL - FINAL OPPORTUNITY> ♔♔ The 2015 Spring Leg will end tomorrow with betting on the last round of Dortmund (2015) ! The top 10 will qualify for the Championship Leg, and one lucky bet can turn you from zero to hero... so place your
 
   Jun-25-15 10th Edmonton International (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Can Ivanchuk win against Hambleton? Place your bets: Edmonton rd 7: Ivanchuk (2733) - Hambleton (2446) Edmonton rd 7: Ivanchuk (2733) - Hambleton (2446): SHORT WHITE WIN? Edmonton rd 7: Wang Hao (2704) - Shankland (2656) Edmonton rd 7: DAILY DOUBLE Good luck ...
 
   Jun-24-15 Norway Chess (2015) (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Betting on the final round is now open. Good luck everybody, and have fun! Norway Chess rd 9: Hammer-Carlsen Norway Chess rd 9: Hammer-Carlsen: OVER/UNDER Norway Chess rd 9: Aronian-Nakamura Norway Chess rd 9: Vachier-Lagrave-Grischuk Norway Chess rd 9:
 
   Jun-18-15 Carlsen vs A Giri, 2015 (replies)
 
Chessgames Bookie: Will Carlsen lose again? Which move will he open with? Place your bets and jump for joy as you watch them hit: Norway Chess rd 3: Carlsen-Giri Norway Chess rd 3: Carlsen-Giri: FIRST MOVE Norway Chess rd 3: PICK THREE Good luck everybody, and have fun!
 
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Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  MarkFinan: Wait till Pengerz has changed the leader board, Fred. I'm still top ten, in fact I'll bet the 2 Sith lords lost money today too, I've never seen a tournament with so many wins, especially with the black pieces.
Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  MarkFinan: Btw.. My net worth will plummet at the end of this tournament. I have daft amounts of cb's on bets that don't look like paying. I might get lucky, but I doubt it.
Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < Mark: Wait till Pengerz has changed the leader board, Fred. >

Reminder that I have no control over the leaderboard. I <wish> I did, but I think <Switch> already addressed this:

Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #8599)

What I <can> do is payoff bets, create and edit bets (including creating/editing the lines, text box, name and closing time) and also refund any lines I wish. I can also update announcements.

However, I have no power over logfiles, leaderboard, Loanshark (so many "L"s), the help page, glossary, chess forecast, etc.

I do have the username and password of the Chessgames Bookie account. It's actually just a typical premium member account (believe it or not, it's not a life member on <cg>; its membership is set to expire in 2021), with 2 special powers: it can access the page where one can edit all the bets (I can do that too), and its name does not show up on the Leaderboard, even if it places some bets. Other than that, it's just like a regular account. I even see someone (that's not me) has been playing Guess the Move with it! (I should've volunteered after my membership has expired...)

Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  MarkFinan: So the regular winner of all the legs still administrates the chess bookies?

He's a Sith lord! He has powers the rest of us could never have because he's turned to the dark side.

Seriously. Something ain't right when the guy who wins constantly knows what's going on behind the scenes.

Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < So the regular winner of all the legs still administrates the chess bookies? >

I seriously doubt that (you're talking about the Santa guy, right?). However, even if he <does> have access, I haven't seen any suspicious activity. The only information that I can see that you can't is # of bets for each prop (ex. DD1 currently has 335 cbs and 9 bets). When I payoff the bets, it displays all the tickets (and the ticket #), along with the wager, and also what it was wagered on, whether or not it won, and in chronological order (but not the exact time of the wager, and not who placed it).

P.S. For whatever reason, I always have various topics/people in my life that I can't seem to stop talking about. Currently, ChessBookie is one of them. :p

Jul-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <L E A D E R B O A R D
updated Wed Jul 29, 16:41

User Net Worth
...
(8) FSR 2,174
(9) MarkFinan 2,120>

C'mon Mark, step your bookie game up!

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  scout118: Approx. when is pay day scheduled for this leg?

When does the summer leg end - on or about the end of Millionaires Chess Open 2015 on Oct 12, 2015 perhaps?

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Very conservative betting by the members for a final round. A little over 10K bet...thought there would be more wagered. Everyone is saving up for the 3rd Sinquefield Cup. ;)
Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: < scout118: Approx. when is pay day scheduled for this leg? >

There should be more than 1 pay day. ;)

Anyway, there is no official date yet, but I'm planning for Pay Day to be around August 20th (2 days before Sinquefield) to August 28th (Rest Day at Sinquefield). Somewhere between does dates.

< When does the summer leg end - on or about the end of Millionaires Chess Open 2015 on Oct 12, 2015 perhaps? >

Again, no official date yet, but I want the last tournmanet of the leg to be the World Cup, so that's October 4th (or earlier).

- Penguin

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < FSR: ... C'mon Mark, step your bookie game up! >

(grabs popcorn)

< WinKing: Very conservative betting by the members for a final round. A little over 10K bet...thought there would be more wagered. >

Me too!

< Everyone is saving up for the 3rd Sinquefield Cup. ;) >

I imagine so. Until then, I'm going to have to reduce the amount of bets out there (well, I'll see the demand).

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  scout118: <Chessgames Bookie /Penguincw>

Your inaugural stint as chessbookie could end with heavy betting in a Caruana/Nakamura/So/Yu Yangyi/Wang Hao/Vallejo slam-bang!

I think you may want to end with Millionaires Chess all-in bets but it's all up to you, chief!

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessgames Bookie: < scout: ...Your inaugural stint as chessbookie could end with heavy betting in a Caruana/Nakamura/So/Yu Yangyi/Wang Hao/Vallejo slam-bang! >

Or it could end with the combo of Topalov/Nakamura/Caruana/Giri/Kramnik/So World Cup thing. ;)

Anyway, I think I'm going to have to turn down the Millionaires tournament. The Summer Leg should (but not explicitly stated) be from July to September. The World Cup <starts> in September, and ends in October, which I can do.

If I do another tournament in October, I'm basically stretching my trial period longer than I want to (FTR, my trial period is probably going to be a shorter than average 85 days; I've completed 18 already).

Plus, I want the next Bookie (whoever that may be) to have some events to make bets on. The 4 days from the end of the World Cup to the beginning of that tournament looks to be a good preseason (although I can't decide on that). I'm pretty sure the Millionaires tournament would be a great way to start their leg.

< I think you may want to end with Millionaires Chess all-in bets but it's all up to you, chief! >

(<SPOILER ALERT>) I'm having to have Pick <Fours> for the World Cup, does that count as all-in bets? ;)

- Penguin

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <Penguin> I'm taking the next leg (my previous post was a clue...), ;) so there won't be a preseason. :)
Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Oh, I thought you said <this> leg. :P

I see the theme seems to be "try a leg, wait 2 legs, and then try again" (under that definition, <wordfunph> should've taken this leg, while I should consider the Spring 2016 leg).

I'm not sure if I should take that leg though (or even run ever again). I'll be completely honest: it feels like I've been running this leg for <years>. Before running this leg, I was looking forward to it. Now, not really. However, once I stop running for it, I'll probably miss it (any term to describe that). However, I blame the hot weather (which makes people lazy) for that.

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <Penguin> Heh, well, you'll have some time to think about it. It would be good if you could take either the Spring or the Summer leg next year, if you'll feel up to it. :)

My planning strategy is based more on the idea that Championship leg duty should rotate every year (since that's the most significant leg to miss out on), so that's the first consideration, and then the rest of the Bookies should take the remaining legs while trying not to take two too close to each other (and certainly not consecutive).

As I understood it, <wordfunph> has a new job and probably won't have time for the Bookie again (although if he wants to, I'd be happy to see him back too). <WinKing> has kindly agreed to take the coming Championship leg, so we're set for this year. :)

For <next> year (2016) - if all concerned agree, that is ;) - maybe <Switch> could take a turn at Championship duty? Then a good order would be:

Penguin (Spring) - Annie (Summer) - WinKing (Fall) - Switch (Winter aka Championship)

That's assuming (read: hoping) ;p that both you and WinKing will feel like staying in the Bookie cycle, and Switch is willing to take a championship leg, none of which is as of yet certain. ;s

Note, I would prefer the summer leg since I'm taking this fall leg, but if you really want to stay on summer shift as you mentioned a while back, then I can take the spring leg so you can have summer.

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < Annie: ... My planning strategy is based more on the idea that Championship leg duty should rotate every year >

Why can't I run the Championship leg every year? It's not like I'm ever going to qualify for it, ;)

< As I understood it, <wordfunph> has a new job and probably won't have time for the Bookie again (although if he wants to, I'd be happy to see him back too). >

Me three. I know stats aren't everything, but <wordfunph> has managed to collect the <most> cbs and juice out of all user-bookies to date despite putting out the <fewest> amount of bets. He really knows how to make people cough up their money.

< For <next> year (2016) - if all concerned agree, that is ;) - maybe <Switch> could take a turn at Championship duty? Then a good order would be:

Penguin (Spring) - Annie (Summer) - WinKing (Fall) - Switch (Winter aka Championship)

That's assuming (read: hoping) ;p that both you and WinKing will feel like staying in the Bookie cycle, and Switch is willing to take a championship leg, none of which is as of yet certain. ;s

Note, I would prefer the summer leg since I'm taking this fall leg, but if you really want to stay on summer shift as you mentioned a while back, then I can take the spring leg so you can have summer.>

Very interesting idea. To be honest, I only thought this would be a one-time thing. :p I'll think about it, but it's not going to be anytime soon.

And BTW: if I do run a Spring Leg, I'm holding a preseason (I'm not turning down the opportunity to put up some bets around April Fools' Day).

But one important thing that I fear: inactivity. It seems that in my 4.5 years on this site, I'm rather really active, or inactive. Usually I'm active for a few months at a time, then leave for 6 months-2+ years. I haven't quite found the middle. :p However, I have been active on this site for a year now, so who knows?

Although I would be honoured to be part of this cycle. Perhaps over time, it'll just blend into my daily life.

I do have to wonder though, what happened to the previous bookie (as in the guy who <cg> hired to do it for many years until last year)?

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <Penguin> Yeah, I didn't commit to taking a regular part in running the Bookie until I finished a leg either. But it's doable, and it's not like we have too many volunteers, and we want to keep the game going reliably, right? ;)

<Why can't I run the Championship leg every year? It's not like I'm ever going to qualify for it, ;)>

You can, if you want to! ;p

<I know stats aren't everything, but <wordfunph> has managed to collect the <most> cbs and juice out of all user-bookies to date despite putting out the <fewest> amount of bets.>

That's because - as I've also found - sometimes more is less. ;) When you put up too many bets (yes, there is such a thing) - the c$s go too many ways, the pools in each bet are small, and you just dilute interest, because bettors logging in see a lot of bets to study, but just small profits everywhere. I've come to think that concentrating the options to a few interesting bets at a time may be better. You know, what the bettors <ask for>, and what's actually <good for them> are not the same thing. ;s

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: <I've come to think that concentrating the options to a few interesting bets at a time may be better>

IŽll second that.
It is also more fair to those who are trailing.

Jul-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < Yeah, I didn't commit to taking a regular part in running the Bookie until I finished a leg either. But it's doable, and it's not like we have too many volunteers, and we want to keep the game going reliably, right? ;) >

Now that I think of it, I should consider running for it.

< That's because - as I've also found - sometimes more is less. ;) When you put up too many bets (yes, there is such a thing) - the c$s go too many ways, the pools in each bet are small, and you just dilute interest, because bettors logging in see a lot of bets to study, but just small profits everywhere. >

I'm not going to deny that. For example, on "No Exotics Day", all 4 bets registered over 2K each.

< I've come to think that concentrating the options to a few interesting bets at a time may be better. You know, what the bettors <ask for>, and what's actually <good for them> are not the same thing. ;s >

Well, I just want to make people happy, and allowing them to put their suggestions is one way.

But I'll be the first (more like 10th) to admit I put out too many bets. I do this since I feel the need to use <all> my ideas, since I was planning to not do it again, but now I may want to reconsider it (believe it or not, before I started it, I was afraid of having too <few> bets). I'll try to lower the amount of bets, but no promises (I don't think the difference will be noticeable).

Jul-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  scout118: <Penguincw: ...I know stats aren't everything, but <wordfunph> has managed to collect the <most> cbs and juice out of all user-bookies to date despite putting out the <fewest> amount of bets. He really knows how to make people cough up their money...>

<Chessbookie> I encourage you to keep your head up as I think with the creative betting lines shown so far, you're going to break records as the leg gets through the "majors" (Sinquefield, World Cup), and as the odds show better value for heavy bets, with additional cb cash from pay day.

I can see 5-10k per line in those majors. Also depends on how far <switch> pulls ahead! The name of the game is Beat Switch!

Jul-31-15  sydbarrett: Nisipeanu-Shankland agreeing to draw in 18 moves. Ugh, dirty move by supposed GMs which is cowardly, and, even more importantly, ruined my bets.
Jul-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: I must admit, this is kinda shocking:

Here are the unofficial approx. stats for the leg so far:

Total Wager: 183,544
# of bets: 164
Juice: 5,806

The leg is approx. 22% done. Here are the other 4 bookies (combined), and approx. how much they had ~22% through the leg (average):

Total Wager: 479,544
# of bets: 122
Juice: 14,819

Of course, I do have to consider that I've only had 1 major tournament (Biel) so far. Sinquefield and the World Cup should bring in a lot of revenue. In fact, the house is already beating <Switch>. ;)

Jul-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  MarkFinan: <11. MarkFinan 1,843
12. andrgrimes 1,794
13. Pancaniti 1,777
14. WinKing 1,703
15. 1 2 3 4 1,598
16. FSR 1,517>

Step your bookie game up Frederick. Lol

Jul-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <MarkFinan> A disastrous day at the chess-track for me.

<sydbarrett: Nisipeanu-Shankland agreeing to draw in 18 moves. Ugh, dirty move by supposed GMs which is cowardly, and, even more importantly, ruined my bets.>

Indeed.

Jul-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Annie K.: <Penguin> well, the matter of what tournaments are scheduled for your leg does make a difference, and anyway, we don't all have to be identical - some variety based on who is running the Bookie makes things interesting.

Experimenting some is good too, I have also tried some ideas that I probably won't be doing again because they didn't seem to be very successful (most notably, cramming in extra games from big tournaments by offering individual bets for the most famous and using the pick-threes and daily doubles for the less well-known players). So not everything will work, but it doesn't hurt to try and see.

On the other hand, some things are best done in a certain way for good reason. I had a teacher (in architectural design) who once said 'we all want to be original, but you'll never see a car manufacturer produce a line of cars with triangular wheels just to be different'.

The reality of the situation will demand its due in some respects. Them wheels, they just gotta be round to do their work best. :)

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