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Oct-26-13 | | Karpova: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921 <Both Amos Burn16 and the "British Chess Magazine"17> needs space between text and numbers.
<25 "The Observer", 24 August 1919, p. 9. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca", McFarland, 1989, p. 97-98> pp.
<27 John Donaldson and Nikolay Minev, "The Life & Games of Akiva Rubinstein – Volume 1: Uncrowned King", 2nd edition, Milford, CT USA, 2006, pp. 370> p. <28 "American Chess Bulletin", March 1920, pp. 45-46. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca", McFarland, 1989, p. 108-109> pp.
Sometimes p. or pp. and page number(s) contain a space, sometimes not. Another possibility in case of several pages is to not write out the second number, only the number that changes, e. g. usually p.153-154 but could also be written as p.153-4 (or p.130-141 as p.130-41). I just come across this way of writing it sometimes. Looks a bit strange to me though. <2. Please very carefully go through your draft and re-check every single note, to make sure the correct note corresponds to the correct part of your draft.> done |
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Oct-26-13
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<<2. Please very carefully go through your draft and re-check every single note, to make sure the correct note corresponds to the correct part of your draft.>done>
Excellent.
Don't worry about the extra periods and spacing and such. We will sort all that out before submitting the draft. |
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Oct-26-13 | | TheFocus: <WCC> the page numbers for Lasker - Marshall rules was 147-148 of <Lasker's Chess Magazine>. |
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Oct-27-13 | | Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921 A small last minute change:
<Later, he spent time in the USA to finish his education, but left college in 1910 to concentrate more fully on chess.3> I think this is too strong and suggest instead
<Later, he spent time in the USA to finish his education, but left college in 1910 and concentrated more fully on chess.3> |
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Oct-27-13
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Oct-30-13 | | Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927 An early prediction by Dr. Lasker from an interview in 'Schachmaty', reprinted on page 86 of the March 1924 'Neue Wiener Schachzeitung': <In einem Wettstreit Capablanca-Aljechin räume ich letzterem sehr gute Chancen ein, vorausgesetzt, dass der Wettkampf nicht in Havanna stattfindet. Capablanca steht zwar seit dem 14. Lebensjahre ununterbrochen im Training und ist daher höher einzuschätzen, dagegen überragt ihn Aljechin zweifellos durch den Reichtum an Phantasie.> (In a match Capablanca-Alekhine, I concede very good chances to the latter, presupposing that the match does not take place in Havana. Capablanca has been training without interruptions since the age of 14 and therefore has to be considered to be superior, yet Alekhine indubitably outshines him due to his riches in fantasy.) |
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Oct-30-13
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Excellent!
That is indeed a very important discovery, since it is not well known. I will write that into the draft. |
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Oct-31-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Checking in. On travel for work, almost no time for anything. The Final Drafts are all looking really good. I hope you give us like a 2 day warning before sending them off for final review. On a related note, I am at HQ for my workplace. They handed out an instruction sheet and asked us to look it over and write corrections. To my utter horror, I couldn't find anything wrong with it. But then, miracle of miracles, I noticed that two successive sentences had a series of elements that ended with an "and" clause, eg The colors of the American flag are red, white, and blue. The three best things in life are wine, women and song. Both are grammatically acceptable. I prefer the last comma, but I think the general preference is not to have it. Anyway, we passed the sheet around and I wrote on it "For consistency's sake, both sentences should have/not have the comma after the second last element." I got a lot of strange looks as people read it and tried to figure out my point. Ah well, such stuff is <fun> |
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Oct-31-13 | | Karpova: <OCF>
According to <Jess>*, this Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Capablanca 1921 will be the first draft to be prepared for Daniel, although she did not say when. *Karpova chessforum |
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Oct-31-13
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Are you really a 'traveling editor'?
What a great job, no wonder you're having fun.
Yes <Karpova> is correct about the "debut issue." We are preparing an html version at the moment. |
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Nov-03-13
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Nov-03-13
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Nov-03-13
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Nov-09-13 | | Karpova: Draft for Game Collection: WCC : Steinitz-Zukertort 1886 <Wilhelm Steinitz> (1836-1900) dominated the chessworld for most of the second half of the 1800s.[1] He beat his strongest, active contemporaries in matches: <Anderssen-Steinitz (1866)>, <Steinitz-Zukertort (1872)> and <Steinitz-Blackburne (1876)>. Steinitz considered his world championship tenure to have started with his win over <Adolf Anderssen> (1818-1879).[2] However, none of these matches had been officially for the title of world champion and <Paul Morphy> (1837-1884) was still alive. Already in 1882, Steinitz challenged <Johannes Zukertort> (1842-1888) to a match but the negotiations failed.[3] Zukertort had become one of the world's strongest chessplayers in the 1870s.[4] After his clear victory at <London (1883)> ahead of Steinitz, the question of who was the strongest chessplayer in the world became urgent. Therefore, Steinitz challenged Zukertort to a match after the tournament and Zukertort was willing to play. His health did not permit the stress of match play any time soon though.[5] Steinitz emigrated to the USA in late 1883.[6] The negotiations now dragged on. The main disagreement was the location of a match. Steinitz wanted to play in the USA preferably, but not in London where he had encountered unfairness and hostility.[7] Zukertort on the other hand insisted on a match in London, where his financial backers were.[8] Finally, in mid-1885 Zukertort agreed to a match in the USA and Steinitz to play a return match in London.[9] The seconds were <Thomas Frere> for Steinitz [10] and <James Innes Minchin> for Zukertort.[9] A forfeit deposit of $250 was imposed.[11] Steinitz forwarded the sum at the beginning of December 1886.[12] Zukertort arrived in New York on December 13 but the transmission of his stakes was delayed, so the match began later than originally planned.[13] The conditions for the first official chess world championship match were signed on December 29, 1885. The stakes were $2,000 a side. The winner would be the first to win 10 games. In case of 9:9 (draws not counting), the match was to be declared drawn. The time control was 30 moves in 2 h and then 15 moves in 1 h. The match was to begin in New York and last until one player had scored 4 wins. Then it would move to St. Louis until one player had won 3 games there. The rest of the match was to take place in New Orleans. An umpire for every player was chosen from the chess club hosting the match during each division.[14] A change was made in St. Louis that the match would be considered drawn if the score is 8:8 (draws not counting).[15] Expenses were $500 for the winner and $750 for the loser.[16] The match began on January 11, 1886 [13] in Cartier's Hall, Fifth Avenue, in New York.[17] The umpires were Thomas Frere for Steinitz and Adolph Mohle for Zukertort.[18] The New York division lasted until January 20, as Zukertort scored 4 consecutive victories after losing the first game. Play was resumed on February 3 in St. Louis.[19] The games were played at day in the Harmonie Hall and at night in the Chess, Checkers and Whist Club.[20] The umpires were Ben R. Foster for Steinitz and William Duncan for Zukertort.[21] The St. Louis division ended on February 10 as Steinitz scored 3 wins and a draw.[19] After a rest for almost 2 weeks [22], the New Orleans division began on February 26. <Charles Francis Buck> was the referee.[23] The umpires were Fernand Clairborne for Steinitz and <Charles Maurian> for Zukertort.[23] Play took place in the New Orleans Chess, Checkers and Whist Club at the corner of Baronne and Canal Street.[24] After a draw, Steinitz pulled ahead with 2 wins. Zukertort stroke back with a win, but reached only 3 draws and suffered another loss in the next games. Steinitz then went on to win the last 3 games, becoming the first official world champion on March 29, 1886 (+10 -5 =4). |
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Nov-09-13 | | Karpova: [1] Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/players/p34.... [2] Obituary in the "New York Times", October 14, 1900, quoting Steinitz from "My advertisement to anti-Semites in Vienna and Elsewhere", retrieved from http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... [3] Kurt Landsberger, "William Steinitz - Chess Champion 2d ed." (McFarland 1995), p. 168 [4] Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/players/p39.... [5] "British Chess Magazine", August-September 1883, pp. 282-283 [6] Landsberger, p. 138
[7] Landsberger, p. 146
[8] Landsberger, p. 145
[9] Landsberger, p. 148
[10] Landsberger, p. 147
[11] Landsberger, p. 150
[12] "Nashville Union", December 6, 1885 (originally from the New Orleans "Times Democrat"). In Jacques N. Pope, http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... [13] "British Chess Magazine", February 1886, p. 69
[14] "Chess Monthly", January 1886, pp. 136-137. In Edward Winter's "World Chess Championship Rules", http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... [15] "British Chess Magazine", May 1886, p. 185
[16] Landsberger, p. 150
[17] "British Chess Magazine", February 1886, p. 54
[18] "Brooklyn Daily Eagle", December 22, 1885. In Jacques N. Pope, http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... [19] Rod Edwards, http://www.edochess.ca/matches/m836... [20] "British Chess Magazine", March 1886, p. 116
[21] "St. Louis Globe-Democrat", February 3, 1886. In Jacques N. Pope http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... [22] "Charleston Sunday News", February 21, 1886. In Jacques N. Pope http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... [23] "British Chess Magazine", April 1886, p. 140 (originally from the New Orleans "Times-Democrat", February 28, 1886) [24] Landsberger, p. 163 |
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Nov-09-13 | | Karpova: A 645 words intro. |
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Nov-10-13 | | Karpova: A small mistake:
<Steinitz then went on to win the last 3 games, becoming the first official world champion on March 29, 1886 (+10 -5 =4).> The score was +10 -5 =5 |
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Nov-10-13
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Nov-10-13
 | | WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> You have hit the nail right on the head here: <This match was proposed to be for the official chess championship (source).> I haven't revisited <Landsberger> for some time, but is there anything in there that suggests Steinitz or Zukertort said anything about this? Was the word "offical" written in the contract? The word "official" was written on some of the posters put up for the match- so we know the promoters regarded this to be an official world chess championship match. Or at least they wanted paying customers to think so. This question bears considerable thought, I think.
I will look myself after work, although I notice that the sources I have you also have. We need a contemporaneous source stating that they regard this to be an official world chess championship- preferably Steinitz or Zukertort. It would also be great to find the first third party source referring to this as the first "official" WCC match. Let's try to find out if we can.
<Colleagues>, please help us if you have any information on such sources? |
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Nov-10-13
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I was also thinking about you supplied the birth/death dates in parentheses after each player name. I notice you didn't do this in Game Collection: WCC: Steinitz-Gunsberg 1890. At present, I'm not in favor of this idea. But if we do decide it's a good idea, we'd have to do it for every name in every other intro. |
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Nov-10-13
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"Grand Chess Match for $4,000 and the Championship of the World" was put on the invitations to the event.
Photo no. 16 in <Landsberger>. |
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Nov-11-13 | | Karpova: <Jess>
Source [14] is the source for all the preceding information on the match conditions: [14] "Chess Monthly", January 1886, pp. 136-137. In Edward Winter's "World Chess Championship Rules", http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... There it is written <to play a match at Chess for the Championship of the World> - I think that this should be sufficient. For sure, there are other sources, e. g. p. 20 of the January 1886 'BCM'. The birth/death years - I liked the idea of mentioning Anderssen and Morphy by name. I considered it more convenient to give Morphy's birth/death date as it does play a role in my opinion, as the first official match took place after his death (although he had been inactive for a long time). It may also be convenient in the case of Zukertort as it pretty much answers the question why they didn't play another match. |
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Nov-11-13 | | Karpova: I do not think that the birth/death date mention should become convention and people should be granted a bit of freedom in this regard. Just in this case it seemed appropriate. |
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Nov-11-13
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Thank you for doing the legwork to provide both a source and a perfect quote to make clear: <to play a match at Chess for the Championship of the World>. I'll add that in later on. With regard to the birth/death years, thanks again for your thorough explanation. I understand, but I'd still like to hear from <Ohio>, <Switch>, and <crawfb5> on this as well. At any rate we have plenty of time on this and every other editing issue. Update on the first promotion- it's been a little delayed (on my part) because I had to work through the last three weekends at our school. I also have to work through next weekend. In Korea, the months of Oct-Dec are extremely busy. Luckily, in the months of Dec-March, almost nothing at all happens. I will try to find more time though.
<crawfb5> is ready to go on this first promotion- it is me who is holding it up. Not because of anything to do with your fine draft, but because of me having no time. Ok I hope you are well!
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Nov-12-13 | | Karpova: <Jess: Thank you for doing the legwork to provide both a source and a perfect quote to make clear: <to play a match at Chess for the Championship of the World>. I'll add that in later on.> I don't understand. The source was in the draft from the beginning. I wouldn't have claimed that it was officially for the World Championship if it hadn't been written down in the official conditions. So what needs to be added? |
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