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Mar-06-17 | | TheFocus: <jnpope> I own a copy of the book in question. It is a 30 page booklet. The extensive annotations are by Chigorin from his column in the <Novoe Vremia> from the period May 7 - June 29, 1891. The opening sentences of the "history" section: <The match between Adolph Anderssen and William Steinitz was played in London, during July and August 1866, and is now commonly considered as marking the beginning of Steinitz's reign as World Chess Champion. Officially, however, this title was not then in existence, the first match officially played for the title being between Steinitz and Zukertort in 1866.> The final paragraph in the book, after the final game: <With this match, William Steinitz came to be recognized, unofficially at least, as World Champion. It was not long before he was referred to as such in the chess literature. Steinitz was to retain his crown for 28 years (longer than any other champion), finally relinquishing it to the young German master, Emanuel Lasker, in 1894.> If you wish, I will scan the pages and e-mail them to you. I still have your address from previous correspondence. |
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Mar-06-17
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No need to send copies. I was just curious as to what "evidence" may have been provided to substantiate the title on the cover (it looks like "very little" is the answer). Thank you for checking. |
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Mar-06-17 | | TheFocus: You are welcome, <jnpope>. |
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Mar-07-17 | | morebream: Chess historians and biography writers should take note of a fairly new website, chessgraphs.com, which makes it easy to see a nice graph of any player's rating history. For example, the following urls take you directly to graphs of the player's full rating history: Magnus Carlsen
http://www.chessgraphs.com/?name%5B... Wesley So
http://www.chessgraphs.com/?name%5B... Fabiano Caruana
http://www.chessgraphs.com/?name%5B... This website is still relatively new so not all have heard about it, but it seems to be the best way on the internet to find any chess player's FIDE rating history. No login is required, and you can also put multiple players on a graph to compare them. For example here's Magnus Carlsen and Sergey Karjakin compared: http://www.chessgraphs.com/?name%5B... Graphs like that are good for making some historical observations. In this case you see that Karjakin was actually the higher-rated prodigy till mid-2006. Chessgraphs.com has rating histories for all FIDE rated players, and there's an autocomplete in the search field for all titled players. The data goes back to the earliest international ratings in 1967. This website should hopefully be very useful to chess historians and biographers in their work! |
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Mar-07-17
 | | perfidious: <zed>, methinks that link belongs to old friend Robert M Sulman, a strong master who was over 2400 back in the day, although the call of academe won over chess. |
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Mar-08-17 | | zanzibar: <perf> I was also think it might be this guy: Yury Shulman who runs educational sessions:
http://shulmanchess.com/ (in US since '99)
How either one of them ever ended up in Oneonta is anyone's guess! |
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Mar-08-17 | | Alien Math: Is there a reason people have been requesting Edward Winter's real name? Just a query from curiosity |
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Mar-08-17
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A few posts back I revealed that after years of researching, including bribing and blackmailing every official I could find, that Edwatd Winter was in fact Bill Hartson. It ran on from there here. I recently discovered this.
A 1916 postcard from Capablanca to Alekhine thanking him for warning about him about the pawn sac for Black in the Lopez. (the one Marsahll used v Capa a few years later) http://www.redhotpawn.com/chess-blo... |
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Mar-08-17
 | | chessgames.com: <Sally> Sorry to cast a cloud of doubt over that incredible postcard, but the "neatly written" handwriting is in fact a popular modern computer font called "Brush Script" (http://www.pickafont.com/fonts/Brus...) that was created in the 1990s. I know Capa was ahead of his time, but not THAT ahead of his time ;-) |
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Mar-08-17
 | | chancho: Joey C... lol |
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Mar-08-17 | | zanzibar: <chessgames> everybody knows Capa played like a computer. Not everybody knows he wrote like one too. Not to worry, that's why we're here in the Bistro for ya. |
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Mar-08-17
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi chessgames.com,
Obviously this 'Brush Script' was based on Capablanca's hand writing. I gave the post card to Edward Winter and he confirmed it is Capa's. (I better make it clear it was not Edward Winter the Historian guy. But Edward 'Teddy' Winter, a bloke I know who drives a bus.) |
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Mar-08-17 | | Paint My Dragon: <Sally> ... and he was confirming that the handwriting belonged to Francis 'Frankie' Capablanca, the aforementioned postcard penpal of Joseph 'Joey' Alekhine? Suddenly, it all makes sense.
Save them for April 1st, it's just around the corner :) |
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Mar-08-17 | | zanzibar: <PmD> true, the Bistro isn't known for tolerating even tongue-in-cheek humor much. Or bizarre posts about Edward Winter.
Half apologies from yours truly.
(Too bad we don't have a flag for non-serious posts - a little levity isn't always a bad thing. ;) |
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Mar-08-17
 | | perfidious: <CG....I know Capa was ahead of his time, but not THAT ahead of his time> Dang it, there goes another one of my illusions! This has been a rough day, the above coming on the heels of learning that Kasparov would arrange simuls against only relatively weak players. |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: A very detailed, and lushly photographed series on the WCC's, in Russian (but with CC and auto-translate available): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XA...
This is episode 1, and starting with Steinitz.
FWIW- they date the beginning of his reign from 1886. |
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Mar-10-17
 | | Chessical: Please can we combine Edmund Thorold and Thorold I have fleshed out the biography. |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: <Chessical> - which bio did you flesh out? Both seem to have fairly good writeups - so it seems the task of merging might require a knowledgeable steward. |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: I check my photo notes, and a diligent editor might find a useful hint in this filename: <Thorold, Edmund - BCM v19 (Aug 1899) p341.png> I'd submit myself, but I'm still waiting for Junge's portrait to get published. |
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Mar-10-17
 | | jnpope: Can anyone here point me to an original source for this game?
Owen vs De Vere, 1872 I would like to verify that it was from the 1872 BCA Challenge Cup Tournament so finding the original source would help greatly making that determination. |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: <jn> Would Gillam list the source perhaps, in this work? http://www.chessdirect.co.uk/acatal... |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: A little detour, which may contain a hint:
Goggle translate - subject is Lasker's double-bishop sac: <The search for the second, older predecessor NN-De Vere, London 1867 was more difficult. After a long time I searched for help, on the one hand in the forum Schachfeld.de (see here ), and on the other hand in "British Chess Magazine" (see here ). Finally, Andrew Soltis had written in his book that 2003 had been reported about the two predecessors. "They were little known until recently in the British Chess Magazine 2003." (see here - where the entire section on the subject is quoted from Soltis book)The response from Steve Giddins, the chief editor of the BCM, came quickly. He kindly sent the exact sources as well as the notation of the part NN-De Vere 1867. It was a specification part played in the "Westminster Chess Club" (without black kingpringer), the two authors of the book "The English Morphy? The Life and Games of Cecil De Vere, first British Chess Champion ", Owen Hindle and Bob Jones, in" The Field 14 ix 1867 ". The chess game of "The Field" was then supervised by Samuel Boden (see here ), a teacher and sponsor De Veres (see here ). This perhaps explains how the remarkable pre-selection part came into the magazine. Two years later, 1869, (according to other data only 1872 - see here ), Boden gave the column to De Vere, who supervised it until 1872. Then, by the way, she took over Wilhelm Steinitz (see here ). In any case, the play was printed in the December 2003 edition of the British Chess Magazine on page 666, in the column "Quotes and Queries column" as "Q & Q 9659", which I believe Edward Winter was currently managing .> So, of course the Field is a likely suspect. By way maybe of Hindle & Jones: <"The English Morphy? The Life and Games of Cecil De Vere, first British Chess Champion "> http://www.schachfieber.de/feed/ (de) |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: Not sure if this is useful, but a mention that both players were indeed competitors in the 1872 tournament: https://books.google.com/books?id=F... |
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Mar-10-17 | | zanzibar: Harding, in his Blackburne book has this to say about <BCA London (1872)>: <This Congress, the last major achievement of the BCA, was ambitiously organized, with three tournaments .... Although ... better documented than the miserable 1870 Challenge Cup, there was yet again no contemporary book. Consequently, games were scattered through several publications, in many cases with imperfect info ... Reconstructing these tournaments is peculiarly difficult because two major tournaments ran simultaneously without a fixed [schedule]"> p86 He refers to Gillam, of course, with a couple minor quibbles. There is mention of a microfilmed scrapbook of Field columns (where Gillam credits Boden when it was De Vere). etc. etc. Good luck - I think this was some of the hardest parts of Z-base to do. |
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Mar-10-17
 | | jnpope: Ok, so <z> cannot cite a source. Anyone else? |
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