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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: <<Missy> The reproduction of the photo is too blurred to make out anyone but ghostly traces. > Alas and alack. But not unexpected. Well, we tried. I do wonder sometimes about if scans, optimized for OCR (off-color-remarks) shouldn't have a second scan, optimized for halftone photographs on select pages. Too bad we didn't get own sage advice into the initial (and only?) Google Digitization effort at the dawn of Google books. |
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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: <Chessist: Thomas-Spencer "Notes by Burn" (Gillam, p49) = obviously quoted from "The Field".> Yes. I often feel that I'm just tagging behind Gillam when doing all these tournaments (these ones, though a hundred year old, can no longer even be called early). Just wish Gillam had cited all his game source to full extent. . |
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Feb-19-24
 | | perfidious: <Tab>, in turn I thank you; I had long sought the Hal Terrie master games DB, which will prove essential to my efforts to upgrade the pages of numerous strong players from that region. |
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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: FWIW - not having access to <The Field (1923)> with Burn's column is a major hit.... Consider, the extensive BCM coverage of the tournament, with the round by round reportage, ends with this: <We are indebted to The Field for many of these comments .> |
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| Feb-19-24 | | Chessist: Margate 1923:
Gruenfeld-Bogoljubow: Kagans Neueste Schachnachrichten 1923, p265.
Mueller-Gruenfeld: Kagans Neueste Schachnachrichten 1923, p267. |
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Feb-19-24
 | | jnpope: <not having access to <The Field (1923)>> I just checked the label to volume 2 of the White collection microfilm of John G. White's personal scrapbooks for the <Field>; sadly there are no columns from the 1920s which surprises me as he lived until 1928, so I would have expected there to be some post-war clippings. |
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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: <Chessist>, <jnpope> thanks both. I " // "-folded the Kagans source refs into <Margate (1923)>. Looking at the scrapbooks, which I hadn't thought of, was a good idea, even if it didn't pan out. |
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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: It's a paltry offering, but might this serve as a useful placeholder for CA Library? <Kagan's Neueste Schachnachrichten, Volume 2, Issues 3-4> https://books.google.com/books?id=O... |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Liverpool (1923) - Unsource games> I think I'm ready to post up the first pass of the worksheet - let's start here with a list of the remaining handful of games that don't have a source but do have the moves: <
1923.04.02 B07 61 (R2) 1-0 Mieses -- Wahltuch
1923.04.04 B06 42 (R5) 1-0 Maroczy -- Wahltuch
1923.04.04 C86 99 (R5) 1-0 Yates -- Thomas
1923.04.04 C27 30 (R6) = Blake -- Yates
1923.04.05 C01 21 (R8) = Mieses -- Maroczy
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There are also these two ending stubs which really should be source as well: <
1923.04.03 A00 11 (R4) 1-0 Thomas -- Holmes
1923.04.05 A00 8 (R7) 1-0 Yates -- Wahltuch
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Liverpool (1923) - Australian source not in Britbase> Using <trove> I found the scores to these games, which I guess John missed for <Britbase> (maybe because of copyright converting to PD?): <
1923.03.31 B01 50 (R1) 0-1 Blake -- Mieses
1923.04.02 C83 47 (R3) 1-0 Yates -- Dawbarn
1923.04.06 E76 55 (R9) 0-1 Louis -- Wahltuch
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The worksheet will have the links. |
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Feb-20-24
 | | MissScarlett: <1923.04.04 C27 30 (R6) = Blake -- Yates
1923.04.05 C01 21 (R8) = Mieses -- Maroczy> Are sourced. |
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Feb-20-24
| | MissScarlett: <1923.03.31 B01 50 (R1) 0-1 Blake -- Mieses> Source is the <BCM>. < I guess John missed for <Britbase> (maybe because of copyright converting to PD?> What does this mean? |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: <<1923.04.04 C27 30 (R6) = Blake -- Yates 1923.04.05 C01 21 (R8) = Mieses -- Maroczy>
Are sourced.>
Great, thanks for pointing that out.
I didn't look at <CG>, assuming <Britbase> was the definitive source. Did you (i.e. <Missy>) source these? I'll try to find the <Source_url> on <BNA>... (thought I tried all the (Britbase) unsourced, but maybe I missed it). |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: <I guess John missed for <Britbase> (maybe because of copyright converting to PD?> PD = Public Domain
1923 might only have recently come into PD in Australian - I'm not sure, but apparently the newspaper run ends in 1923. Of course, all this is first-pass and subject to revision. |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Blake--Yates> OK, here's the snippet I have
<... line of policy of the present Government” LIVERPOOL CHESS CONGRESS CONCLUDING EVENTS By I The Liverpool Chess Congress n Saurday morning when finished their sixth round this being the last in the congress Yates good but on request to ...> So, unsurprising to might a game buried in there. Might I ask if this is a good link to the game?
https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.... . |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: <So, unsurprising to might a game buried in there.> Huh?! Oh, "to might" ↠ "there might" |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Mieses--Maroczy> <Manchester News> on 4-*21* ?!?! Whoa, that's a big delay, and from a journal not previously noted for supplying game scores - what's the deal? (Who was editor?) Let's see what my view of it is....
Got it, I think. This one?
https://britishnewspaperarchive.co.... (They didn't use Liverpool I think, just Northern Congress) . What's the deal? BNA does even have any mention of <chess> for 4/29, let alone |
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Feb-20-24
| | MissScarlett: The game links are good.
<Whoa, that's a big delay, and from a journal not previously noted for supplying game scores - what's the deal? (Who was editor?)> This was from a weekly (Saturday) column, not a daily round report. It began in October 1922 - the identity of the editor was trailed as a 'local expert'.
The first game score was Capablanca vs T Kelly, 1922 (a new game). Could Thomas J Kelly be our man? |
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Feb-20-24
| | MissScarlett: Well, not so new: https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: <Missy> - another thanks for double-checking the links. Here's my worksheet on <Liverpool (1923)>: Game Collection: Liverpool (1923) worksheet * * * * *
I also think your identification of <Thomas J Kelly> as editor/columnist is quite plausible - he was a club champ etc. There should be explicit mention of it somewhere in the literature I would think. |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: <Huh?! Oh, "to might" ↠ "there might"> I think I meant "to miss" instead of "to might". My slip-ups are generally boring enough, but when I screw-up the corrections to them it's clear I was too tired to be posting - apologies! |
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Feb-20-24
| | MissScarlett: I don't have my copy of Caparros to hand. Could someone confirm that Capablanca vs W Edge, 1922 is not in his book. |
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| Feb-20-24 | | stone free or die: RE: Edge vs Capa
Also mentioned, as Dr. W. Edge, in this old post: Capablanca vs P Natali, 1922 (kibitz #1) |
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Feb-20-24
| | jnpope: I find only the game vs Natali for 28-Oct-1922 in <The Games of José Raúl Capablanca>, Revised 2nd edition, 1994. |
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Feb-20-24
| | MissScarlett: His draw with Shubsachs is also in the <MEN>. But Fairhurst's win over Capa is nowhere to be found. |
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