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Dancing Rook
The World vs Arno Nickel
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Bd3 Bc5 6.Nb3 Be7 7.Qg4 g6 8.Qe2 d6 9.O-O Nd7 10.a4 Ne5 11.a5 Nf6 12.Be3 O-O 13.Nc3 Bd7 14.f4 Nxd3 15.cxd3 Bc6 16.f5 exf5 17.exf5 Qd7 18.Qd2 Rfe8 19.Bb6 Ng4 20.Nd4 Bf8 21.Qf4 Ne5 22.Nxc6 bxc6 23.d4 Nd3 24.Qd2 Nb4 25.Rf3 Nd5 26.Nxd5 cxd5 27.Raf1 Rac8 28.h3 Bg7 29.Kh2 Qb5 30.fxg6 fxg6 31.Qg5 Re4 32.Bd8 Re6 33.Bf6 Rf8 34.Bxg7 Rxf3 35.Rxf3 Kxg7 36.b4 h5 37.Qd8 Qe8 38.Qb6 Qc8 39.b5 axb5 40.a6 Re1 41.Qb7+ 1-0
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Feb-14-09  WhiteRook48: I think 40...Re1 is dubious. I would have preferred 40...Re7, but then 41. a7 is decisive anyway
Feb-15-09  WhiteRook48: 4...a6.
Hmmm. This looks odd, but that's probably because I don't have a good sense of openings
Feb-21-09  WhiteRook48: <A. Anderssen> hilarious
May-05-09  hidude: The World :)
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  Domdaniel: <WhiteRook48> This was a regular Sicilian Kan line up to move 8 or 9, then a known but slightly offbeat variation to about move 14. The next couple of moves had been seen in published analysis by Lutz (of which both sides were aware) -- but never tried in a significant game. After that we were on our own.

If you don't have a good sense of openings to the extent that an early ...a6 in the Sicilian surprises you, I suggest you either (a) avoid the Sicilian, or (b) play through more games in this line.

Oct-22-10  Titicamara: Real good game
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  Penguincw: How can that rook still be dancing? It's been dancing for nearly 5 years.
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  Penguincw: I believe it's over 5 years now!
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  Check It Out: 36.b4 is such a great move. I bet that shook up Arno Nickel quite a bit when he turned on the computer to get the latest move.
Jan-23-14  twinlark: Time for this year's comment! I'm still admiring <18. Qd2>.
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  OhioChessFan: <lark> yeah, how in The World did we get it voted in?
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  OhioChessFan: While playing this game, I was so totally absorbed in it I could have told you everything going on at every ply. Now I look at it, and it seems like a Sunday Puzzle of the Day each move and I'd have no idea how to proceed.
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  OhioChessFan: And many thanks to to <Titicamara> <Penguincw> and <CIO> for keeping the streak of at least one post a year alive.
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  chancho: I was looking through some of the old posts and saw this name from the past:

User: tefthepersian

His last post was in the Timmerman game, and he said he would respond to questions to his analysis, but he never did.

I hope he is doing well.

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  Ron: One of the things I'm fascinated about this game are the moves 28. h3 and 29. Kh2. If memory serves, these moves were advocated by Thorsson, and won by a landslide vote. These moves might not have been the top computer choice.

These moves are Karpovian. Karpov makes quiet moves like a3 or h3 and then his opponent's positions collapses a couple of moves later.

Maybe 28. h3 and 29. Kh2 are waiting moves which put our esteemed opponent in a kind of zugzwang.

Dec-10-15  RookFile: I think that's accurate. h3 and Kh2 take advantage of the fact that there's nothing really constructive for black to do. So, white quietly improves his king safety before making the final assault.
Apr-11-16  Boomie: <h3 and Kh2>

Thorsson's brilliancy is a subtle prelude to b4. Notice that after Qxb4, the queen may follow up with Qe1+ and use Re8 to block if white plays Qd8. Kh2 defends b4 amazingly.

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  Ron: I put the position after Black's 27th move into Stockfish 7. After having Stockfish run for a few minutes, it was favoring Qd3 for a while but it then switched to b4.

So I then plugged The World Team's move, 28. h3. Stockfish followed up with 28. ... Bg7 29. Kh2 , which follows our game. Stockfish gives an eval at least .90 for White at that point.

I'm inclined to think that 28. h3 is superior than the moves that Stockfish liked : either 28. b4 or 28. Qd3

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  OhioChessFan: Has it really been over 3 years since I posted here and 11 years since it started? I remember much of the in-game minutiae like it was yesterday. It's rather shocking how much computers have improved in the last decade.
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  OhioChessFan: Over 12 years ago when this started.....I remember the excitement. And <Rookfile's> political work to get the a Pawn moves voted in, and the Monad trap and lemming battles and the forum system and our (one and only) ringer <Thorsson>. And me emailing <twinlark> in despair at the lemming voters and him working to keep my spirits up. Now Daniel is gone forever, <twinlark> is gone forever or for a while, and <DomDaniel> has been gone a long time although apparently not forever. I hope this game means something. Surely it does, it has to, if you think about how many hours went into it....
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  Domdaniel: <Ohio> -- < yeah, how in The World did we get it voted in?>

Oh, y'know ... much the way any 'democratic' decision gets voted in. There's always some wool-pulling involved.

As in Putin, Trump, Brexit, and others. At least we were maybe a little bit ahead of the curve. Or not.

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  Domdaniel: But of course this game means something. To you and to me, and perhaps to history.
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  Messiah: I wonder if Arno cried after this game.
Apr-05-19  RookFile: I was going over this tonight with Stockfish, and it appears that move 15 for black is a big deal. It seems to prefer 15....Rc8. I don't know if it is right, but it certainly would have been a different type of game. It's harder for white to play f5 if black has his bishop sitting on d7.

Of course, 15....Rc8 was something we looked at back then. I myself expected 15...Bc6.

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  Honza Cervenka: <RookFile: I was going over this tonight with Stockfish, and it appears that move 15 for black is a big deal. It seems to prefer 15....Rc8. I don't know if it is right, but it certainly would have been a different type of game. It's harder for white to play f5 if black has his bishop sitting on d7. Of course, 15....Rc8 was something we looked at back then. I myself expected 15...Bc6.>

Yes, 15...Rc8 was one of expected and extensively analysed possibilities of black. In fact, I have expected to see rather 15...Rc8 than 15...Bc6 due to 16.f5.

<Oct-09-06 Honza Cervenka: From purely human point of view at first glance 15...Bc6 is the most natural move here as it brings the Bishop into more active position on a8-h1 diagonal and vacates d7 for Knight or Queen. But as 16.f5 can be somewhat unpleasant continuation for black after 15...Bc6, I would expect 15...Rc8 as the most "noncommittal" alternative from Arno....>

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