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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: <If I'm a parent, and is fortunately enough to have a child as gifted at chess as them two. I'd have a very difficult decision on whether they should be getting ready for college, or continue to play/compete at the highest level of chess> Even if you would be a parent only thinking about your child's level of play there would probably be some difficult decisions, Kasparov complained that Carlsen is playing way too much to reach the level he could reach by being more selective. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: In case the playoff games won't be uploaded, this is the Armageddon game, Onischuk had five minutes, Carlsen four: [Event "Grandmaster Tournament Biel Tie-Break"]
[Site "Biel-Bienne"]
[Date "2007.08.02"]
[Round "3.1"]
[White "Onischuk, Alexander"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[ECO "E20"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 c5 4. Nc3 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Bb4 6. g3
O-O 7. Bg2 d5 8. cxd5 Nxd5 9. Bd2 Bxc3 10. bxc3 e5 11. Nb3
Nc6 12. O-O Nb6 13. Be3 Qc7 14. Qc2 Be6 15. Rfd1 Nc4
16. Bc5 Rfd8 17. Qe4 Rac8 18. f4 f5 19. Qf3 b6 20. Bf2 e4
21. Qh5 Qf7 22. Qh4 Rxd1+ 23. Rxd1 Nb2 24. Rd6 Nc4 25. Rd1
Nb2 26. Rc1 Na4 27. Nd4 Nxd4 28. Bxd4 Bxa2 29. g4 Be6
30. Rd1 Nb2 31. Ra1 Nc4 32. gxf5 Bxf5 33. Qg5 h6 34. Qg3
Kh7 35. e3 Rc7 36. Kf2 Qg6 37. Qh4 Nb2 38. Bf1 Nd3+ 39. Bxd3 exd3 40. Rg1 Qxg1+ 41. Kxg1 d2 42. Qh5 Bc2 0-1 |
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Aug-03-07
 | | Peligroso Patzer: Here are the moves of the two drawn rapid games from Thursday's playoff: [Event "Grandmaster Tournament Biel Tie-Break"]
[Site "Biel-Bienne"]
[Date "2007.08.02"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Onischuk, Alexander"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E15"]
[PlyCount "138"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "SUI"]
[EventCategory "18"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 d5 6. Bg2 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Bxd2+ 8.
Nbxd2 Bb7 9. cxd5 exd5 10. Ne5 O-O 11. O-O c5 12. dxc5 bxc5 13. Rc1 Qe7 14. Nd3
Nbd7 15. Re1 Rfe8 16. Qc2 Rac8 17. Qb2 Ba6 18. Nf4 d4 19. b4 cxb4 20. Qxd4 Nb6
21. Nb3 Rxc1 22. Rxc1 Rd8 23. Qc5 Qxc5 24. Nxc5 Bc4 25. Nfd3 Nfd5 26. Nb7 Rb8
27. Rxc4 Nxc4 28. Bxd5 Nb6 29. Bf3 Na4 30. Nxb4 Nc3 31. e3 a5 32. Na6 Ra8 33.
Nc7 Ra7 34. a3 a4 35. Kf1 Nb1 36. Nb5 Ra6 37. Be2 Rc6 38. Na5 Rc5 39. Bd3 Nxa3
40. Nxa3 Rxa5 41. Bb5 Ra8 42. Ke2 Kf8 43. Kd3 Rc8 44. Nc2 Ra8 45. Na3 Rc8 46.
Nc2 Ra8 47. Bc4 Rb8 48. Kc3 Rb1 49. h4 Rh1 50. Bb5 Rh2 51. f3 Rh3 52. Bxa4 Rxg3
53. Nd4 Rh3 54. Kd3 Rxh4 55. f4 Rh1 56. Ke4 h5 57. Kf3 g6 58. Bb3 Rf1+ 59. Kg2
Rb1 60. Bd5 Kg7 61. e4 Rd1 62. Nf3 f5 63. Ng5 Rd2+ 64. Kg3 fxe4 65. Bxe4 Kf6
66. Nf3 Re2 67. Bd3 Ra2 68. Be4 Ra3 69. Bd5 Rxf3+ 1/2-1/2 [Event "Grandmaster Tournament Biel Tie-Break"]
[Site "Biel-Bienne"]
[Date "2007.08.02"]
[Round "1.2"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Onischuk, Alexander"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E36"]
[PlyCount "108"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "SUI"]
[EventCategory "18"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. Qxc3 dxc4 7. Qxc4 b6 8.
Bf4 Nd5 9. Bg3 Ba6 10. Qa4+ Qd7 11. Qc2 Qb5 12. Nf3 Nc6 13. Rc1 Nde7 14. b4 Qh5
15. Qa4 Bb5 16. Qb3 Qd5 17. Qxd5 exd5 18. e3 Bxf1 19. Kxf1 Rc8 20. Ke2 f6 21.
b5 Na5 22. Rxc7 Rxc7 23. Bxc7 Kd7 24. Bg3 Rc8 25. Kd3 Nc4 26. Ra1 Nf5 27. Nh4
Nfd6 28. Bxd6 Nxd6 29. a4 Ne4 30. Ra2 Rc3+ 31. Ke2 Rc4 32. Kd3 Rc3+ 33. Ke2 Rb3
34. Kf3 Nc3 35. Ra1 Rb2 36. Nf5 Ne4 37. Ng3 Rxf2+ 38. Kg4 Rxg2 39. a5 Rxh2 40.
Nxe4 dxe4 41. axb6 axb6 42. Kf5 Rg2 43. Kxe4 Rg5 44. Ra7+ Kc8 45. d5 h5 46.
Ra8+ Kc7 47. Rh8 Kd6 48. Rd8+ Kc5 49. Rc8+ Kxb5 50. d6 Re5+ 51. Kd4 Re6 52. Kd5
Re5+ 53. Kd4 Re6 54. Kd5 Re5+ 1/2-1/2
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Aug-03-07
| | Peligroso Patzer: And here are the moves of the two drawn blitz games from the playoff: [Event "Grandmaster Tournament Biel Tie-Break"]
[Site "Biel-Bienne"]
[Date "2007.08.02"]
[Round "2.1"]
[White "Onischuk, Alexander"]
[Black "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A58"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "SUI"]
[EventCategory "18"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 g6 6. Nc3 Bxa6 7. Nf3 d6 8. g3
Bg7 9. Bg2 Nbd7 10. Qc2 Nb6 11. Nd2 Bb7 12. e4 Ba6 13. Bf1 Qc8 14. Bb5+ Bxb5
15. Nxb5 O-O 16. O-O Qh3 17. f3 Nh5 18. Rf2 f5 19. Nc4 Nxc4 20. Qxc4 fxe4 21.
Qxe4 Nf6 22. Qe6+ Qxe6 23. dxe6 Nd5 24. a4 Rfb8 25. Ra3 Nb6 26. b3 c4 27. bxc4
Nxc4 28. Raa2 Nb6 29. Rfc2 Rxa4 30. Bg5 Rxa2 31. Rxa2 Nd5 32. Na7 h6 33. Rd2
hxg5 34. Rxd5 Rb1+ 35. Kg2 Rb2+ 36. Kh3 Bf6 37. Nc6 Re2 38. Nd8 Kg7 39. Ra5 Bd4
40. Nf7 Rxe6 41. Nxg5 Re5 42. Rxe5 Bxe5 43. Kg4 Bb2 44. f4 Kf6 45. Ne4+ Kf7 46.
h4 d5 47. Nf2 Bd4 48. Nd3 Kf6 49. Kf3 e5 50. fxe5+ Bxe5 51. g4 Bd6 52. h5
1/2-1/2
[Event "Grandmaster Tournament Biel Tie-Break"]
[Site "Biel-Bienne"]
[Date "2007.08.02"]
[Round "2.2"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Onischuk, Alexander"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C54"]
[PlyCount "108"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "SUI"]
[EventCategory "18"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Bc5 6. c3 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. d3
O-O 9. Nbd2 Be6 10. Re1 Bb6 11. Nf1 Ng4 12. Re2 d5 13. exd5 Bxd5 14. Bxd5 Qxd5
15. h3 e4 16. Ne1 exd3 17. Qxd3 Qxd3 18. Nxd3 Rad8 19. hxg4 Rxd3 20. Be3 Re8
21. Rae1 h6 22. Bxb6 Rxe2 23. Rxe2 cxb6 24. Re8+ Kh7 25. Ra8 a5 26. Ra6 Ne5 27.
Rxb6 Nc4 28. Rxb5 Rd1 29. f3 Ne3 30. Kf2 Nxf1 31. Rxa5 Rb1 32. Rd5 Rxb2+ 33.
Kxf1 Rxa2 34. c4 Rc2 35. c5 f6 36. Ke1 Rxg2 37. Kd1 Ra2 38. c6 Ra8 39. c7 Rc8
40. Rd7 Kg6 41. Ke2 f5 42. Ke3 fxg4 43. fxg4 Kf6 44. Ke4 g6 45. Kd5 Kg5 46. Kd6
Kxg4 47. Rd8 Rxc7 48. Kxc7 h5 49. Rd4+ Kg3 50. Kd6 h4 51. Ke5 h3 52. Rd3+ Kg4
53. Rd2 Kg3 54. Kf6 h2 1/2-1/2
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| Aug-03-07 | | Duque Roquero: <Carlsen and Onischuck tied for 1st place with 5.5/9>???
Read the papers CG. Carlsen won the tournament.
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| Aug-03-07 | | Marvol: <They should be getting the slots that are undeservedly being enjoyed in Linares, Corus etc by some players who have stagnated ... with little or no capacity to improve ... players like Van Wely.> I have to take exception to this. Van Wely is a welcome fighter in tournaments that are all too often marred by players that play short draws and are happy to get to +1 or something and preserve their rating. Svidler and Adams of late seem to have fallen in that category. FWIW, in this Biel for instance I think van Wely did more -i.e. fought harder- to deserve his invitation than Radjabov, who seemed content to draw himself to the rapid tiebreak after a counterpunch here and there. Besides, I have barely noticed Avrukh, and Motylev mainly distinguished himself through appaling time handling. Finally, van Wely hardly gets invitations anyway to the top-flight tournaments apart from Corus, which happens to be in Holland. |
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Aug-03-07
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| Aug-03-07 | | AlexandraThess: <percyblakeney>&<WannaBe>, The truth is that devoting such amount of time and energy to chess, at least at this age (or maybe in general?!) results in underdevelopment, in sense of education, 'emotional building', and even intellect. Even prodigies should live harmonic life in order to materialize their potential in full. Finally, the idea of chess is to be a means/way for self-development and improving human analytical reasoning. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: <The truth is that devoting such amount of time and energy to chess, at least at this age (or maybe in general?!) results in underdevelopment, in sense of education, 'emotional building', and even intellect> Blackburne wrote: <I have never allowed my children to learn it, for I have seen too much of its evil results> about the game, even if that maybe is to be a bit too negative... |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Rolfo: <AexandraThess> I think the main reason for young Magnus' success, is due to his wise parents in more than one sense. He is allowed to do natural things for his age, fotball, social activities, schoolwork etc.. Read his fathers blog from the very beginning. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | whytenite: How do we know the proper way make a chess prodigy a world champ? I think if we feed him spinach on thursday, and take him for walks on fridays. Then he will be champ. Bascially, i am saying the stars need to align, get lucky, hard work, determination, good given talent, proper nurturing, diet, exercise, rest, strong family foundation, and be as good at chess as I am :) |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Timex: Carlsen wins!!
http://previews.chessdom.com/china-uk
lookie here, china vs. england, this should get interesting. The teams are not bad too. |
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Aug-04-07
 | | lostemperor: <AlexandraThess: The truth is that devoting such amount of time and energy to chess, at least at this age (or maybe in general?!) results in underdevelopment, in sense of education, 'emotional building', and even intellect...> I must agree. Such as people like Kasparov and Fischer. Kasparov being far more dangerous than Fischer. While not many take Fischer very serious other than being a nutcase, Kasparov actually thinks he has some kind of a superior understanding in everything! This man has been a complete failure in all he has done outside the chessboard. He sold out the game of chess. "His" organisations like GMA and PCA, if not founded by kasparov, they were for his purposes, have vanished into thin air. His KasparovChess site has gone bankrupt with a million debt. He single-handely created chaos in the chessworld. And now he wants to do the same with Russia. With a new political movement for more democracy (Iraq has more democracy now also!). Fortunately the people are not buying him. All Garry Kasparov care about is Garry Kasparov. But for ordinary young people chess can be very inspiring!! |
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| Aug-04-07 | | zanshin: <lostemperor> Otoh, Karpov is supposedly a billionaire: http://www.nysun.com/article/59276 |
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| Aug-04-07 | | WarmasterKron: Yuck, Armageddon playoff. I don't think I can improve on what Chessbase had to say on the matter: "We have been unable to confirm rumours than an earth tremor was felt in Biel, during the final game, believed to have been caused by Mikhail Botvinnik revolving in his grave at the thought of a major international tournament being decided in such fashion..." Indeed. |
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| Aug-05-07 | | percyblakeney: Having rapid/blitz tiebreaks in tournaments is maybe a bit pointless, but hardly that terrible considering that the World Championship has the same system. If one single winner absolutely must be found it's probably not worse than for example Linares having been decided by number of black wins, even if I don't think there's anything wrong with sharing first. Carlsen didn't dislike the Biel tiebreak, maybe understandable since he won: <It is a very interesting idea that could be replicated in other places. Of course, weariness can be a decisive factor. However, it gives a clear winner in a tournament and that is very important. Chance plays a lesser role than with the Sonnenborn-Berger point system.> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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Aug-05-07
 | | JointheArmy: <Kasparov actually thinks he has some kind of a superior understanding in everything!> How is this different than your average genius? |
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Aug-05-07
| | lostemperor: I don't think I have a superior understanding in everything at all! |
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| Aug-07-07 | | WarmasterKron: <Having rapid/blitz tiebreaks in tournaments is maybe a bit pointless, but hardly that terrible considering that the World Championship has the same system> I rather object to the World Championship having it, too. There was enough tutting with Kramnik beating Topalov on rapid tiebreaks - imagine the outrage if either had won the title on an Armageddon game. |
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| Aug-07-07 | | percyblakeney: <I rather object to the World Championship having it, too> Naturally, I think having blitz tiebreak in the World Championship and World Cup is worse since it really means something, regardless if it goes to Armageddon or not. In a tournament like Biel one can always choose to care very little about the tiebreak, since it isn't all that important how it ends up. In the World Championship and qualification blitz skill will get more and more crucial since many matches will go to tiebreak. In the World Championship 2004 twelve of the matches were decided by Armageddon games, and many more in the previous blitz games. |
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| Aug-07-07 | | Akavall: I wonder how fair Armageddon games are themselves. Does anybody know if white and black tend to score 50-50? |
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| Aug-07-07 | | percyblakeney: <Akavall> I remember checking up the FIDE World Championship 2004, and there 9 of 12 Armageddon games were won by white. |
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| Aug-07-07 | | Akavall: <percyblakeney> Thanks. Of course this is a small sample, but maybe having white is better, since by the time the Armageddon games is played fatigue is already a huge factor, maybe the extra minute is very helpful, while draws under such circumstances are a fairly rare anyway. Maybe. |
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| Aug-07-07 | | WarmasterKron: <Naturally, I think having blitz tiebreak in the World Championship and World Cup is worse since it really means something, regardless if it goes to Armageddon or not.> Indeed. As if the initial two-game mini-matches weren't bad enough! |
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| Aug-08-07 | | percyblakeney: <Some more on tiebreaks, Armageddon games and so on> Updated Armageddon statistics, including all World Championships (men and women, 2001-06), the World Cup, Biel, the Radjabov-Carlsen match and the World Blitz Championship: in 35 Armageddon games white won 19 times. So the chances seem fairly even, but both having white and an extra minute would probably make me bet on white if the players are on the same level. In the latest knockouts (World Championship 04 and World Cup 05) approximately half the matches were decided by rapid/blitz. For example Carlsen was eliminated in shorter time controls in the World Championship 2004, World Cup 2005, and Candidates 2007, also Mamedyarov went out in rapid/blitz both in 2004 and 2005. Since it's not uncommon in these knockouts with players having most of their matches decided in rapid/blitz (some played a tiebreak in 4 of their last 5 matches), it's hard to underestimate how important rapid/blitz skill will continue to be (especially if there will be no other way to reach a title match than winning the World Cup). |
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