| Sinquefield Cup (2024) |
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Name: 11th Sinquefield Cup
Event Date: August 19 - 28, 2024
Site: St. Louis, MO USA
Format: 10 players, 9 Rds, SRR. TC: 90m:30m+30spm(1) Official site: https://grandchesstour.org/tours/20... Previous: Sinquefield Cup (2023)
Next: The 2025 Sinquefield Cup is to be played August 16-29, 2025 in Saint Louis, Missouri, USA.
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Aug-29-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Skysports:
<'...we are on the internet, why follow the logic?> Correct:
If you want illogical speculations, awful jokes and cringe worthy puns then this is the place to come. |
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| Aug-29-24 | | 1300patzer: Teyss, 那很有趣, thanks. |
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| Aug-29-24 | | 1300patzer: Impressive trolling, Besrq. |
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Aug-29-24
 | | Williebob: The gap in chess understanding between a Top Ten player and a rank amateur can be filled with any number of chess-less theories. |
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| Aug-29-24 | | Yuri Stremel: When Ding disappeared from the chess world during the pandemic, there was a mysterious aura surrounding him. Ding was a great player at his peak and seemed like a real threat against Carlsen, so no one really cared about the way he returned to the Candidates – suspicious at best. Frankly, no one, myself included, wanted to see a player with immense potential sidelined because of a set of rules (Firouzja was reprimanded for doing essentially the same thing, except he was already performing poorly that year). But the rules are there for a reason, and what no one asked was whether Ding himself was prepared for the strain of the process. It didn’t help that, in his current mental state, Ding was given as an opponent probably the only player he had a chance against – Nepo, who is also quite unstable under the high pressure of the match. With the weight of the crown, all the spotlight is now on Ding, and the pressure to perform is immense. |
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Aug-29-24
 | | perfidious: <Williebob: The gap in chess understanding between a Top Ten player and a rank amateur can be filled with any number of chess-less theories.> Don't I know it.
As mentioned, a few days ago I watched the live stream in a round of this event for, perhaps, fifteen minutes, by which time I first blocked chat on one kibitzer, then shut down the chat altogether. Too many of what we call internet pros on poker live events; one would swear those in the chat play better than the people sitting at the table. |
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Aug-29-24
| | Williebob: <perf>, fifteen minutes in the snark pit is all a reasonable human being can be expected to give! |
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Aug-29-24
 | | Atterdag: <boz: <atterdag> with all due respect I don't understand your post about Ding. Have you never wished for something that, once obtained, you regretted? There's even a Chinese proverb about that.> Well, yes, probably, but not in the magnitude we are talking about here. Moreover there should be a difference between regrets on decisions that only involve yourself and those which involve numerous other people. It's not that Ding Liren is a teenager - he is 31 years old and has been in top chess for many years. I choose to regard DL as an adult person with integrety who is capable of imagining what his decision of becoming the WC in chess would implicate. I have said many times, it is clear there must be serious reasons for his rapid decline. That is very sad for him, no doubt, but I dare challenge that the reason should be unawareness of the life everyone else can imagine follows in the wake of the title. Others here mention the quite natural demotivation which I am sure many former world champions may have had after they had won the title. I think it's a quite common reaction that you feel a certain emptiness after reaching the goal you have strived for all your life. But I don't think that's the case here. Anyway, we can speculate as much as we like - only DL knows what haunts him, and although he has made vague indication, we really don't know what is wrong with him. Perhaps he don't know it himself. We only know he is now but a shadow of what he was before the championship. |
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| Aug-30-24 | | Teyss: <1300patzer> 👍🏻 |
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Aug-30-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Teyss:
<Congrats on predicting Ding would play the WC as early as 2016.> Somewhere on here I did tip Wes So for a world final appearance as well. It might yet happen, who knows what the future holds. Three years ago anyone suggesting the 2024 W.C. final would be between Ding Liren and Dommaraju Gukesh would have been certified. And speaking of certification...Prof Sally Simpson MD. OBE. VD (and scar) still has Ding on his couch for some more kitchen sink analysis. Another thing that could be chipping away at his confidence is knowing many will not be viewing him as a valid World Champion. It is going to take a few W.C. matches before the shadow of Carlsen disappears. A long as he remains King Conker on the rating list the title holder will always be looking over his shoulder. Except of course when Hans wins the title and the 'Magnus Who?' t-shirts go on sale. Next week I'll be having Anish Giri on the kitchen couch. His rating is in free fall. When was the last time he lost three OTB classical games in a tournament? (he can blame me, I tipped him to win this event.) |
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Aug-30-24
| | Atterdag: Congrats to Firouzja. He has really stepped forward after the melt-down in the Candidates. A very respectable win in this strong field of super GMs. Gukesh: 9 draws - hm. It doesn't bode well for the upcoming match that none of the contestants has won a single game in this tournament. This might become the weirdest match in chess history and that says a great deal. :-) |
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Aug-30-24
 | | HeMateMe: Praggy has nine draws. Maybe he needs to take more chances. |
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| Aug-30-24 | | Teyss: Hi Geoff,
<Another thing that could be chipping away at his confidence is knowing many will not be viewing him as a valid World Champion. It is going to take a few W.C. matches before the shadow of Carlsen disappears.> How very true. The comparison with post-Fischer WCs wouldn't be fully relevant because Fischer only won the title once, he was on and off in the 1960s and Elo ratings weren't gospel then. Even if your psychotherapeutic activity specialises in Chess players, you have a lot of work on your hands: inflated ego (Niemann, Carlsen, retired Kasparov), erratic behaviour (Nakamura, Firouzja, Nepo), worship of evil (Karjakin, Shipov, Khismatullin, retired Karpov). Some users of this site could also use your couch actually. Since you've been doing this for so long, pray tell us some day about your former patients. Fischer was probably the most complex, cumulating all abovementioned issues. We're also eager to hear about Steinitz. As well as Morphy, one of your first cases. |
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Aug-30-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Teyss,
Just in, beautiful day, spent it at the seaside. My psychiatrist diploma arrived! I paid a Nigerian Prince $4,000 for it. It is written in pencil on the back of what looks like a cigarette packet. |
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Aug-30-24
| | perfidious: <Geoff>, put not your trust in Nigerian princes. |
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| Aug-31-24 | | BxChess: <Atterdag: Gukesh: 9 draws - hm. It doesn't bode well for the upcoming match that none of the contestants has won a single game in this tournament.>
Is it possible the two contestants are holding back their opening preparation? I thought it strange that they were competing in such a strong tournement so close to their world championship match. |
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| Aug-31-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: I think it might have been Caruana who said that holding on to prep these days isn't that valuable, as everyone discovers the same stuff in short order. What may have taken a long time to find and understand years ago is now available to everyone at the click of a button. |
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Aug-31-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Evan,
This has been the way for a number of years now. Gone are the days when a TN could win two or three top level games before it hit the magazines or informator. |
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Aug-31-24
| | Atterdag: <Geoff> / <Teyss> LOL - you guys are killin' me! :-) <BxChess: ... Is it possible ...> Yes - it is a possibility that is always and repeatedly mentioned prior to any important match. They may use these tournaments as a whetstone for their skills before they meet. In this case I have my doubts, though. Ding was last and just as miserable in Norway Chess. Not mentioning quicker formats. And Gukesh has been less than impressive since the Candidates. I hope, of course, they will surprise sceptics like me and deliver a magnificent match full of innovative opening ideas and games worthy of a match for the world championiship. |
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Aug-31-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Atterdag,
Do not worry, The match will be great and produce some memorable games. They might not be top of the ratings but they are two very good players. Expect Ding to take an early lead because no matter how much Anand has prep'd Gukesh he will be experiencing nerves he has not felt before. Also, the no increment rule before the first time control usually guarantees some good fun. They should make this the norm in all FIDE events, here, the Sinquefield Cup, the players were given 30 seconds incr. on move one which linked to the minor discussion myself and Evans had about openings is laughable. The argument against it is there could be multiple time scrambles on 3-4 boards and the arbiter cannot watch them (unlike the world final with only game on the go.) My counter argument is what did they do before the invention of digital clocks - I'm always up for a counter argument even if I know I'm wrong. Suppose after a dozen posts off topic I'd better mention something about this event. Here is a picture of Alireza Firouzja with the Sinquefield Cup. https://mms.businesswire.com/media/... That huge King in the background. How come nobody has been along and pushed it over as in the classic style of resignation or at the very least red spray painted it 'The Cardinals.' Does St. Louis not have any vandals? |
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Aug-31-24
| | perfidious: <Geoff....That huge King in the background. How come nobody has been along and pushed it over as in the classic style of resignation or at the very least red spray painted it 'The Cardinals.' Does St. Louis not have any vandals?> If all else fails, one can drive east from St Louis on I-64 an hour or so into Illinois to a place called Vandalia; I have a cousin who lives there. |
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Aug-31-24
| | Atterdag: Thanks, <Geoff>, I trust your prophecy! :-) Vandalia, <perfidious> - for real? LOL |
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Aug-31-24
| | perfidious: <Atterdag>, it was the state capital long ago, and there are several places called Vandalia in that part of the country. |
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Sep-01-24
| | Atterdag: <perfidious> Remarkable! Do you know of any reason for that? The vandals originally came from the regions in and around Polen in the 3rd century BC. - Polish immigrants in the US wanting to revive history? |
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Sep-01-24
| | perfidious: <Atterdag>, in the case of Vandalia, Illinois, the reasons behind the name are unclear, and as with much of the Midwest, there were many German emigres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanda... |
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