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Jul-16-13 | | notyetagm: <Refused: ... Caruana or Karjakin look like good bets for the Wild Card if they fail to qualify otherwise.> Caruana or Karjakin vying for the one Wildcard spot would be a tough call. I would go with Caruana because he is higher rated but like you said, the World Cup will clarify things greatly. |
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Jul-16-13 | | csmath: This Grand Prix circle looks like a game of chairs with participants riding a rollacoaster. They are all in the game to compete for WC and yet it is hard to imagine anyone of them ever to accomplish that. Is this really helpful in popularizing the game? I think they all probably need Susan Polgar. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Refused: <notyetagm: <Refused: ... Caruana or Karjakin look like good bets for the Wild Card if they fail to qualify otherwise.>
Caruana or Karjakin vying for the one Wildcard spot would be a tough call. I would go with Caruana because he is higher rated but like you said, the World Cup will clarify things greatly.> Yeah, the World Cup has a lot of stiff competition. And I seriously wonder, why Aronian and Kramnik are playing. They have their tickets to the candidates. So basically they could (it's not very likely though) get eliminated in the first round and would just miss out on the prize money. Everybody else is competing for the spots in the candidates. IMO it did not make sense to let them play the World Cup. But looking at the table, it looks like Kramnik will get 3 rounds relatively smooth sailing. So him taking home another spot for the Elo list looks possible. Also, Mamedyarov, Caruana or Grischuk will qualify by the GP series, and if the GP qualifiers ends up in the final, his second candidates spot would also go to the next in line on the rating list. Let's see if Grischuk decides to draw his games against the better opponents to play Rapid and Blitz. |
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Jul-16-13
 | | plang: <FairyPromotion:
I expect Radjabov to play in Paris, and give it his best, just to help his compatriot.> How does that help his compatriot?!? |
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Jul-16-13 | | Method B: <Yeah, the World Cup has a lot of stiff competition. And I seriously wonder, why Aronian and Kramnik are playing.> One must participate either in the World Cup or the Grand Prix series to earn qualification to the Candidates Tourney by ratings. It's a rule change compared to last year and I believe it's a good one. |
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Jul-16-13 | | notyetagm: <plang: <FairyPromotion: I expect Radjabov to play in Paris, and give it his best, just to help his compatriot.> How does that help his compatriot?!?>
If Radjabov can stick losses on Caruana and Grischuk, it decreases their chance of finishing clear first. Mamedyarov finishes 2nd in the GP *unless* Grischuk or Caruana takes clear first. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Refused: <Method B: <Yeah, the World Cup has a lot of stiff competition. And I seriously wonder, why Aronian and Kramnik are playing.>
One must participate either in the World Cup or the Grand Prix series to earn qualification to the Candidates Tourney by ratings. It's a rule change compared to last year and I believe it's a good one.> Ah ok, I think it's actually a non-sensical one.
If either Aronian or Kramnik decide, to make short draws and forfeit the Rapid or Blitz Tiebreaker, they have met the the criterion. And basically they are in no need to deliver a result, there. I would have prefered to add players who have to compete there, not those who just sit out some time. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Edeltalent: <notyetagm: <plang: <FairyPromotion: I expect Radjabov to play in Paris, and give it his best, just to help his compatriot.> How does that help his compatriot?!?>
If Radjabov can stick losses on Caruana and Grischuk, it decreases their chance of finishing clear first. Mamedyarov finishes 2nd in the GP *unless* Grischuk or Caruana takes clear first.> I sure hope there won't be a situation where Radja could "help" his compatriot by losing against someone who's competing for the tournament victory with Grischuk or Caruana... |
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Jul-16-13 | | Edeltalent: <Refused: If either Aronian or Kramnik decide, to make short draws and forfeit the Rapid or Blitz Tiebreaker, they have met the the criterion. And basically they are in no need to deliver a result, there.> But that strategy would cost them rating points, and as it was their ratings that freed them of needing to deliver a result in the first place, they probably won't want to give them away that easily. |
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Jul-16-13
 | | chancho: <Is this really helpful in popularizing the game?
I think they all probably need Susan Polgar.> lmao... |
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Jul-16-13
 | | plang: <If Radjabov can stick losses on Caruana and Grischuk, it decreases their chance of finishing clear first. Mamedyarov finishes 2nd in the GP *unless* Grischuk or Caruana takes clear first.> Well, yea, and if he loses to them he will hurt Mamedyrovs chances - still doesn't really answer my question. I brought it up since the poster seemed to be encouraging "hanky panky" which, I assume, everyone would condemn. |
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Jul-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: If any player qualifies by both GP and World Cup, the next players in the GP qualify, so the 3rd and even 4th place may still be relevant. |
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Jul-16-13 | | tolengoy: This GP is a tourney of cherry picked contestants to filter out two qualifiers to the next candidates match. <qualify by what standard may I ask?> Ahh yes...7 were nominated out of whims and caprices of organizers, 9 from the elo rating that measures volume of activity, the rest from figuring highly in non related events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_G... I thought you need to enter a rigorious prequalification tourney to reach the finals - much importantly, <all> chessplayers be given their fair share to partipate. This is the norm in every sport events ...why would chess events be treated differently? |
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Jul-16-13 | | nok: Remember Grischuk boasting before the tournament that he's the new king of draws? Now someone did set things straight. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Estoc: Congratulations to Leko for not losing a game. |
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Jul-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: Lol <tolengoy>. And the "elo rating that measures the volume of activity" struck once again: Topalov, who already qualified to the Candidates, qualified here by rating. As did one of the three players who still can reach Nr. 2, Mamedyarov. The other one, Grischuk, qualified from the World Cup, to which he qualified - how'd ya think? - by rating. And only Caruana was a wildcard spot. So, if rating doesn't meaure playing strength, why do rating qualifiers rule the series? :D |
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Jul-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: Actually, all non-wildcard players somehow got rating in the game, as they qualfied by ratings to the events they qualified from. Which once more shows, <rating qualifiers rule>. Gelfand: qualified as loser of the WC match 2012, to which he qualified as winner of the Candidates 2011, to which he qualified as winner of Wold Cup 2009, to which he qualified by rating Svidler: qualified as winner of the World Cup 2011, to which he qualified by rating Grischuk: qualified as second of the World Cup 2011, to which he qualified by rating Ivanchuk: qualified as third of the World Cup 2011, to which he qualified by rating Ponomariov: qualified as the fourth of the World Cup 2011, to which he qualified as a finalist of the World Cup 2009, to which he qualified by rating. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Whitehat1963: And Drawko finishes with 10 draws. His parents must be proud! |
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Jul-16-13 | | Refused: <Edeltalent: <Refused: If either Aronian or Kramnik decide, to make short draws and forfeit the Rapid or Blitz Tiebreaker, they have met the the criterion. And basically they are in no need to deliver a result, there.>
But that strategy would cost them rating points, and as it was their ratings that freed them of needing to deliver a result in the first place, they probably won't want to give them away that easily> Remains to be seen. It's not like 2 games will cost Aronian or Kramnik 100 points. They play enough over the year to cover for the points they drop there. But they are not really under the same pressure as likesay Ivanchuk or Svidler to deliver. I am quite sure, that the wildcard will go to Caruana or Karjakin, unless the wildcard was giving away a bait for China to host the Grand Prix in Beijing. That would give Wang Hao the Wild Card (as the only Chinese to be above 2725 now). But in all fairness, anything but a Wildcard to Caruana or Karjakin would surprise me (assuming they won't make it through the World Cup). Though it would be funny, if they gave it to Radjabov over Caruana and Karjakin, after his candidates fiasco this year. |
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Jul-16-13 | | badest: <Refused: ... Though it would be funny, if they gave it to Radjabov over Caruana and Karjakin, after his candidates fiasco this year.> No, that would not be funny at all ... it would indeed be very sad. Esp. if the oil-money push down Karjakin or Caruana. |
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Jul-16-13
 | | Diademas: Has the host for the next candidate tournament been decided, or is it all down to Azeri money again? |
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Jul-16-13 | | Refused: Well it would be funny to me. Because I can already see Joe Sixpacks ranting on the forum here. I don't consider it very likely. The only scenario I can see, the wildcard going to anybody else apart from Caruana and Karjakin, would be Mamedyarov not being able to qualify by other means. But that's not a very likely scenario now. Maybe Rex Sinquefield opens his purse to host the candidates in the US and Nakamura gets the buy in.
I refrain from making a joke about whom he might cite during the opening ceremony. |
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Jul-16-13 | | Rolfo: <No, that would not be funny at all ... it would indeed be very sad. Esp. if the oil-money push down Karjakin or Caruana.> Agree. The use of Azeri oil money smells, it's enough for a while. I wonder why AGON couldn't collect more money from a much wider group of sponsors, or is AGON out?
Besides, I think Radja needs a break to recover from whatever trouble of life and/or chess that hit him. Now Mamedyarov is closer to the Candidates, all by himself |
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Jul-16-13 | | tolengoy: <to which he qualified by rating.> Only in chess this seems to be a prime commodity. Yet not relied upon in all other sports...they need to qualify to the finals by playing in preliminaries. It is in this light that Efren Bata Reyes will be a greater sports hero than Magnus Carlsen can ever dreamed to be. |
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Jul-17-13 | | FairyPromotion: <plang: Well, yea, and if he loses to them he will hurt Mamedyrovs chances - still doesn't really answer my question. I brought it up since the poster seemed to be encouraging "hanky panky" which, I assume, everyone would condemn.> Lol, what are you talking about? I was merely pointing out that Radjabov who withdrew from two Grand Prix tournaments already, might be willing to play in the final one, because if he <wins> that tournament, he might help Mamedyarov, or even himself* (though <alexmagnus> hinted that that's not the case). If you read it as "hanky panky," then that's your problem. I personally don't see anything wrong with what I said. Sure he might not win, and yet decide the outcome for the others, but if there is something suspicious I'd be the first one to call it out. However I've seen nothing from Radjabov to hint that he'll be dropping games on purpose. And if players were to be encouraged for "hanky panky" by my posts, then Grischuk would be the one to benefit, as both Svidler and Karjakin will be playing, too. |
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