| 40th World Open (2012) |
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This year, the event was held at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, starting throughout their July Independence Day's traditional annual celebrations. Ivan Sokolov and Alexander Shabalov both scored 7/9, with the former having the better tie-breaker score used here. Wesley So, Aleksandr Lenderman, Giorgi Kacheishvili, Ray Robson, Yury Shulman, Alexander Evdokimov and Marc Tyler Arnold all finished with 6.5/9, and each of the above took home a (USD) prize > $1000 for their efforts. Previous: 39th World Open (2011) (39th edition) — Next: 41st Annual World Open (2013) (41st edition). Further reading: (1) http://www.chesstour.com/wo12.htm (tournament advertisement)
(2) http://chessevents.com/2012/07/worl... (leader-board archive of various sections).
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| Jul-19-12 | | voratco: Well, fair answer, anybody else? |
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| Jul-20-12 | | Bureaucrat: It is very is simple: Wesley So doesn't have what it takes to reach the very top. Give him all the opportunities in the world, and he still would not make it. Just like almost all other players. He has what it takes to become a very strong, professional player, though. That's not bad at all. Does Carlsen have what it takes to reach the very top? Looks like it, but let's see if he can win the world championship. |
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| Jul-20-12 | | voratco: Fairly higher than average answer,
kkderek, appaz, bureaucrat, rogge and others,
your reply is neefed, We need to put a close to this argument once and for all, drik, pitch in your opinion, if you just cooperate, it should be over by now. |
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| Jul-20-12 | | voratco: Where is perdirecolous, We need his input, hurry time is of the essence. |
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| Jul-20-12 | | frogbert: voratco, nothing much to debate here, really. i don't even feel the need to correct all the false and twisted statements you have presented about carlsen's career and his path towards the top. (i'm a major expert in that area, which i'm sure you know.) you will always manage to come up with some (new) excuse for your hero, if he won't manage to live up to your unrealistic expectations. nothing can change that, right? hence, this should already be over. full stop. :o) |
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| Jul-21-12 | | tolengoy: < It is very is simple: Wesley So doesn't have what it takes to reach the very top. Give him all the opportunities in the world, and he still would not make it. Just like almost all other players.> What makes you a soothsayer?
You are just a puffer fish. Go ahead and blow your face to SMITHEREENS! |
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| Jul-21-12 | | HAPERSAUD: gentlemen and ladies, we are here on this website to promote modern chess not bash other players or belittle others. surely we can put all these issues aside and just appreciate the beauty of the game. <bureaucrat> surely Wesley so if given a fair chance can prove himself the chess world has been taken by surprise before. <chessgames.com> comments and bickering like this make me want to cancel my membership unfortunately. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | tolengoy: <HAPERSAUD:>
Surely <bureaucrat>,<perfidious>,<absentee> et.al..have voluntarily stifled their mind to even consider that somebody represents a greater talent and an ominious threat to their pampered goldfish- Magnus "the great" beneficiary. I demand they rectify this unacceptable behavior...a bane to the accepted behavior of a responsible citizen/kibitzer in a civilized society/online community. A public apology is in order. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | tolengoy: < comments and bickering like this make me want to cancel my membership unfortunately.> You don't need to. Just blow the whistle and the admin will go against the culprits. <bureacrat>, <perfidious>, <absentee> must be censured for their arbitrariness. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | Bureaucrat: I commited the crime of stating my opinion that Wesley So is not world champion material. That surely calls for censorship! HAPERSAUD, what's the big deal? Some people think So has the talent to become world champion, and that his current low rating is only due to lack of opportunities and unfair treatment. That's their opinion. I think he has got the same opportunities as everybody else, and that he simply does not have what it takes to become a world class player. I would say the same about any player who has been hovering around 2650 for several years, but when I mentioned So it's because these guys happened to make their hero the subject of debate. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: <I think he has got the same opportunities as everybody else, and that he simply does not have what it takes to become a world class player.> No, he does not get the same opportunities as everybody else. I can't imagine how short your memory is when yesterday you went and jump on the pit full of snakes. You were buried underneath and you keep rising up from the grave singing the same old tune. I thought for sure you were dead, only to find out you must have nine lives. Wesley is not a pampered goldfish. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | Bureaucrat: You are doing your hero no good by bitching and whining and making excuses, while at the same time mocking elite players. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<bureaucrat>
fully concur. The young GM is a fabulously realistic chap when you read his interviews. Chess is tough for him because there is no proper support for Filipino chess players. (Shouldn't the trolls focus their attention on the real problem -- viz. their lousy National Federation not securing the necessary support for their greatest talent since Torre?) Wesley So: <“Honestly I was lucky when playing against Ivanchuk” – starts So – “I admire this chess player and I know that he plays much far better than me." > That and other interesting bits and bobs from Wes here
http://interviews.chessdom.com/wesl... |
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| Jul-21-12 | | JoergWalter: From the article <SimonWebbsTiger> cited: (After the question, do you have a coach?)
<Wesley So: Unfortunately I don’t. But I think that the moment is coming: I will need it soon. I would train chess with Sanan Syugirov with pleasure for instance. He is my age. The only problem he does not speak English. Anyway I feel like having an assistant now. Another problem is that chess in not that famous in the Philippines . We don’t get any financial support from the Government. They don’t give money for tournaments, coaches, nothing. Our national federation pays our tickets. That’s it. You realize at one moment that to reach some professional level you need private sponsors. I would be happy with some 20-30 thousand US dollars a year.> Where is Meralco when you need it? |
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| Jul-21-12 | | Absentee: <SimonWebbsTiger: @<bureaucrat>
fully concur. The young GM is a fabulously realistic chap when you read his interviews. Chess is tough for him because there is no proper support for Filipino chess players. (Shouldn't the trolls focus their attention on the real problem -- viz. their lousy National Federation not securing the necessary support for their greatest talent since Torre?)> Agreed. From what I've read of his interviews, So seems a really nice, down to earth guy. It's some of his delusional fans that are just slightly less annoying than nut cancer. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | tolengoy: <I commited the crime of stating my opinion that Wesley So is not world champion material.> You must be prosecuted and castrated if found guilty. <On the above subject, here's a nice post by <visayan braindoctor>- kibnapped. < visayanbraindoctor: So, in terms of experience, is at where Carlsen was perhaps 6 or 7 years ago. As far back as 2005, Carlsen had already qualified as a Candidate, just 1 tier below the World Champion. He again made it to Candidates in the next cycle, and will soon play his third Candidates soon. So has just started to play in tough European tournaments last year. Assuming that Carlsen is already near his chess plateau, it should take So at least 5 years to catch up in terms of international chess experience. If the above argument is correct, that Carlsen is already nearing the limits of his inherent chess abilities given to him by his natural talent, this means that we can expect Calsen to improve just a bit more, but not by such a huge amount as he did in the past 6 years. So, however, still has a large leeway for improvement, and this will come with more experience. <In a match between them now, So in all probability will have no difficulty in beating Carlsen.< This will not change in the next 5 years.There are young and very talented chessplayers today who are in the same boat as So - they all lack international tournament experience - such as Giri and Nakamura. Age of first top international tournament experience counts more than absolute age for any chess player below 30 years of age IMO. 5 years from now, when Nakamura, Giri, So, and perhaps some other relatively inexperienced but highly talented youngster gains the necessary international experience, then and only then can they give Carlsen a tough fight; and it will be a tough fight even for such a monster chess talent as Carlsen. In terms of style, So actually resembles Carlsen - very tough positionally. Naka and Giri are more tactically-oriented.<< visayanbraindoctor: How does So fare in comparison to his predecessors? Naturally, many Filipino chess fans would instantly hail him as the most talented player and certain future World Champion implicitly or directly; they have been doing so all the time even here in CG.com. Let me give a dissenting opinion. Among World Champions, I do not think GM So is as talented as Anand, Kramnik, Kasparov, Karpov, Fischer, Alekhine, Capablanca, or Lasker. Numerous arguments can spin off from this statement, but in brief, without bringing up all the basis for such a proposal, this is my firm opinion. On the other hand, there have been World Champions, compared to which I think So is more talented. Again, a lot of people will disagree with me but IMO, So is more talented than Euwe and Botvinnik (to mention just two; and already I am expecting a lot of flak). How did Euwe and Botvinnik become World Champions? By study, study, study! In brief, IMO GM So (I prefer to call him that rather than go on calling him Wesley in recognizance of the dignity of his chess title) has the potential to become World Champion. He can't do it the Capablanca way; but he can do it the Euwe-Botvinnik way. He can do it the Alekhine way when Alekhine was faced with the chess colossus that played with nearly errorless computer-like precision that was Capablanca. He can do it the Euwe way, when Euwe was faced with possibly the most naturally gifted chess attacker of all time that was Alekhine. He can do it the Botvinnik way, faced with his equals or perhaps betters in talent such as Keres, Bronstein, Smyslov, and Tal. By study, study, study! What is lacking in raw talent can be made up for by diligence, motivation, and drive.<<>>>> > |
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| Jul-21-12 | | tolengoy: <In a match between them now, So in all probability will have no difficulty in beating Carlsen.> I truly believe so without any iota of doubt. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: Nice post, full of insights.
I don't think anyone dare challenge visayandoctor with his long narrative opinion. Bar none. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: <tolengoy: <In a match between them now, So in all probability will have no difficulty in beating Carlsen.> I truly believe so without any iota of doubt.> I agree.
It will be a blockbuster match, a better watch than Pacquiao-Hatton for sure. I will pay the required fee to see it in pay per view no matter how I will come up with the money, if chessbomb will carry it PPV live, I am sure, their servers will crash, it would take months to fix it. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | JoergWalter: <voratco> ok, how to set up such a blockbuster match? I'll support it to whatever is within my budget. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: Let us see if someone can scout some fat cats from Norway that has enough resources and smart enough to see when to cash in their investments. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | JoergWalter: How about Meralco, PLDT, Lucio Tan or the Marco's family? Can you find out about their interest? They are no cheapskates when it comes to chess. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: I don't think they can afford it. The Philippines is a doomed archipelago, remember? |
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| Jul-21-12 | | JoergWalter: The richest folks I have met were filipinos. It is just chicken feed for them. Peanuts. A night of play at the baccarat table in Baguio. |
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| Jul-21-12 | | voratco: I am not aware of any rich people here. All I know is we all live in cardboard boxes. |
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