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🏆 European Championship (2018) Chess Event Description
The 19th European Championship was an 11-round Swiss tournament held at the Sheraton Hotel in Batumi, Georgia, 17-28 March 2018, with a rest day on 23 March. It was organized by the government of Georgia, the government of the Adjara Autonomous Republic, Tbilisi City Hall and the Georgian Chess Federation under the auspices of the European Chess Union. The championship was open to all players representing the chess federation members of the European Chess Union regardless of their title or rating. A total o ... [more]

Player: Sergiy Zavgorodniy

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Zavgorodniy vs A Korobov  0-1182018European ChampionshipA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
2. I Utiatskaja vs S Zavgorodniy  0-1332018European ChampionshipC41 Philidor Defense
3. S Zavgorodniy vs M Antipov  ½-½302018European ChampionshipA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
4. Krasenkow vs S Zavgorodniy  1-0232018European ChampionshipA46 Queen's Pawn Game
5. S Zavgorodniy vs A Olcum  1-0542018European ChampionshipA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
6. A Donchenko vs S Zavgorodniy  1-0222018European ChampionshipC41 Philidor Defense
7. S Zavgorodniy vs B Nuber  ½-½352018European ChampionshipA18 English, Mikenas-Carls
8. Ahmad Ahmadzada vs S Zavgorodniy  ½-½202018European ChampionshipC41 Philidor Defense
9. S Zavgorodniy vs Ravan Aliyev  1-0402018European ChampionshipA13 English
10. Vugar Manafov vs S Zavgorodniy  0-1472018European ChampionshipA04 Reti Opening
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Mar-25-18  PhilFeeley: <Tell me... how many times did Karpov face Fischer when they were top players???> Fischer was a one off. These days, any 2600 can beat a 2700.
Mar-26-18  Appaz: <alexmagnus: The expected score of 2600 against 2700 is the same as 1600 against 1700 (only that the 2600 and 2700 will have a higher draw rate).>

So <not> the same score then?

You could as well said that all players, no matter rating difference, will have the same expected score - it's just the number of games that varies.

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  WorstPlayerEver: <alexmagnus>

Yeah, because Aronian plays against 2450 players in the Candidates... he did lose only 20 points... ★le sigh★

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  alexmagnus: <So <not> the same score then?>

Same score, different distribution of decisive games. The expected score is in both cases 6.5-3.5 for the higher rated player. But while the 1700 against the 1600 with realize it as +6 -3 =1, the 2700 against 2600 will more likely play it +3 -0 =7.

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  alexmagnus: By the way, this also shows why <WPE>'s "never beat a 2600" remark means nothing. A 2700 is more likely to draw against a 2600 than to beat him - without violating any rating laws. Occasionally he will lose too (after all, there are many ways for the 2600 to score those 3.5 points).
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  alexmagnus: If you are unbeatable, your opponent must be rated ~200+ points lower than you for you to be more likely to win than to draw.
Mar-26-18  frogbert: Also, two of the 2500-players Ivanchuk beat, were only rated 150 points below him. And he's had two draws against 2600-players rated 100 points below.

Anyway, if this event would've been typical for Ivanchuk, he would've been rated below 2650 within a year. The rating system works pretty well. In order to improve your rating, you must perform above it. If you perform below it, your rating goes down.

Increasing the K (which basically is what <wpe> suggests) only makes the system more volatile and ratings less reliable as a measure of strength.

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  keypusher: <alexmagnus> <frogbert> Thanks.

<wpe> If you actually want to say something, maybe try jotting down your ideas first? A coherent post would be nice. If it wasn't for Frogbert I would never have grasped what you were trying to say.

Mar-26-18  aporia: Does anyone know what happens with the Portuguese players who missed round 1 due to travel complications? Ferreira currently has 6 points with two rounds to go, but he acquired them all in eight rounds instead of nine.
Mar-26-18  waustad: I said at the beginning I was hoping that Andreas Diermair would manage to get his final GM norm, and he may. He has a tpr of 2581, but his first round opponent was rated about 2000, so it would be higher for norm purposes. With 1.5/2 in the last rounds, he'll be there. If he wins next round, the last round won't matter, though he's black against GM Mikhail Kobalia, 2599. Playing 6 GMs so far, he is +2 =2 -2.
Mar-26-18  waustad: After reading the official Austrian chess blog, it seems that Diermair already got a 9 game norm, but one of his earlier norms was a 7 game norm, so he needs an 11 game norm for the title. Perhaps even 2 draws will do it, depending on the ratings of his opponents.
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  alexmagnus: The "bad" Ivanchuk is actually above his rating now). Which once more illustrates that his previous performance was not that bad - it cannot be too bad if it can be fixed literally with two games.
Mar-27-18  Olavi: Or else it illustrates that Ivanchuk's rating is too low, i.e. his performance over a longer period of time has been bad, considering who he is.
Mar-27-18  PhilFeeley: Huge traffic jam for the last round: 8 with 7.5/10.

Who will win? Is there a play-off, if necessary?

Mar-27-18  et1: Ivanchuk's "too low" rating is still number 31 in the world at 49. 99.99999 percent of chess players would love to do anything similar.
Mar-27-18  PhilFeeley: Interesting trivia: The World Champion is from Norway, yet there's no one from Norway in this tournament. It's not like they don't have players who could be there.
Mar-28-18  siamesedream: Conratulations to <GM Ivan Saric> for winning the title!
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  whiteshark: Conratulations to Ivan Saric for winning <European Individual Chess Championship> this time!
Mar-28-18  PhilFeeley: Some top boards managed to sneak back into contention, only to be outsmarted by Ivan Saric. Well done, sir!
Mar-28-18  csmath: Difficult technical win against Navarra in the last round. Very instructive ending and well played.
Mar-28-18  GlennOliver: Strange but true.

Despite the Swiss format, Ivan Saric, the winner, played only one of the seven players who finished joint-second on 8/11, and he lost that one game.

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  Tabanus: Correction report: two players each under two different names, and three obviously wrong game results (slips sent). Not so bad.

And Chess-Results has Khazar Babazada vs S Ter-Sahakyan, 2018 <0-1>

Mar-31-18  gomila: "Despite the Swiss format, Ivan Saric, the winner, played only one of the seven players who finished joint-second on 8/11, and he lost that one game."

He played two out of top three rated players on the tournament. Also he had a rating performance of 2796. What is your point?

Apr-30-18  GlennOliver: gomila,

If you are Mr Saric, or a friend of his, then no offence is intended.

Mr Saric clearly had a very good tournament, playing some fine chess, and was not responsible for the players against whom he was (and was not) drawn to play.

My point is that a Swiss tournament runs under rules intended to ensure that each competitor plays opponents with a similar running score.

So I found it surprising that Mr Saric had only been drawn to play one of the seven players with the most similar running score (8/11).

In fact, now I look further, Mr Saric was also only drawn to play a couple of the twenty-four players with the next most similar running score (7.5/11).

So the Swiss rules seem to have created an anomaly in this case.

But once again, congratulations to Mr Saric on an excellent performance.

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  Tabanus: No anomaly I think..

Just so many GMs. For example Dubov (2701) ended 57th with 6.5/11, and Kuzubov (2689) was 132nd with 5.5/11.

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