Mar-08-03 | | Rookpawn: Instead of the Bishop sacrifice, White could have played the normal 8. d3. This would leave Black only one active piece: his Queen. Compare this to White's Rook, King's Bishop, and Queen (not to mention his c1 Bishop, which is ready to join the battle). This lively piece activity and the attack down the f-file costs White his King's Knight, of course. |
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Feb-16-05 | | cuendillar: Steinitz' comment about this being sounder if white gives knight odds seems a bit strange. If that indeed is correct, the double muzio really is a super-sharp opening.
By the way, this is the best try to refute it, isn't it? |
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Jul-29-05 | | aw1988: Yes, apparently 9...Qf5 is the refutation to the double sacrifice in the Muzio. |
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Mar-01-06 | | DeepBlade: It is a part of the mainline
Qxd4 is considered a blunder, but Black can try to hold on till the endgame. Fritz' book gives
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5
Now White can choose to play 8.d3 or go into the deep dark sea of 8.Bxf7! Fritz' Book says this is the mainline for the Accepted Double Muzio w/ Qf5 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qf5 10. g4 Qg6 11. Bxf4 Nf6
12. Be5 Be7 13. Nc3 d6 14. Bxf6 Bxg4 15. Qd5+ Be6+ 16. Qg5 Bxf6 17. Rxf6+ Qxf6 18. Rf1 Nd7
Fritz evaluates the position as +3.oo for Black.
I consider this opening a rollercoaster, the main line keeps Black more than alive, but one little mistake and it is all over. 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Bc5+ 12. Kh1 Bd4
13. c3 d6 14. cxd4 Ke8 15. Nc3 Kd7 16. Nd5 Qe6 17. Rae1 Qf5 18. Qe3
Qg6 19. Qh3+ Kd8 20. Bg5+ Nf6 21. Qe3 Qe8 22. Bxf6+ Kd7 23. Qh3+ Kc6
24. Rc1+ Kb5 25. Qb3+ Ka6 26. Qa3+ Kb5 27. Qb4+ Ka6 28. Nxc7# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Bc5+ 12. Kh1 Bd4
13. c3 d6 14. cxd4 Ke8 15. Qh5+ Kd7 16. Nc3 Qe6 17. Rae1 Qg6 18. Qh3+
Kd8 19. Bg5+ Nf6 20. Qh4 Rg8 21. Bxf6+ Kd7 22. Re7+ Kd8 23. Rg7+ Ke8
24. Qe1+ Qe4 25. Qxe4+ Be6 26. Rxg8+ Kd7 27. Rd8#
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qxb2 11. Qxf4+ Nf6 12. Bd4
Qxd4+ 13. Qxd4 Be7 14. Nc3 Kg7 15. Rae1 Bd8 16. Rxf6 Bxf6 17. Re7+
Kg6 18. Qg4+ Kh6 19. Rf7 Bxc3 20. Rf3 Bd4+ 21. Kh1 Nc6 22. Rh3# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qa4 11. Qh5+ Ke7 12. Qe5+ Kd8
13. Rxf4 Bd6 14. Qg7 Bxf4 15. Qf8# |
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Mar-01-06 | | DeepBlade: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Bc5+ 12. Kh1 Ne7
13. Nc3 Na6 14. Ne4 Qf5 15. g4 Qg6 16. Bh6+ Nf5 17. Qxf5+ Qxf5
18. Rxf5+ Ke8 19. Re5+ Be7 20. Bg5 h6 21. Rxe7+ Kd8 22. Bh4 c6
23. Rh7+ Kc7 24. Rxh8 d6 25. Bd8+ Kb8 26. Nxd6 b6 27. Re1 Nc7 28. Re7
a5 29. Rxc7 Ba6 30. Rb7+ Bxb7 31. Bxb6+ Bc8 32. Rxc8# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O Qe7 6. d4 gxf3 7. Qxf3 Bg7 8. e5 Qb4
9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Qxf4+ Ke8 11. c3 Qf8 12. Qg4 Qe7 13. Qh5+ Kd8 14. Bg5 Nf6 15. Qh4
Bh6 16. Bxf6 Be3 17. Kh1 Nc6 18. Bxe7+ Nxe7 19. Qf6 Rg8 20. Qf8+ Rxf8 21. Rxf8# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qxb2 11. Qxf4+ Ke6 12. Qf7+
Ke5 13. Rf5+ Kd6 14. Qd5+ Ke7 15. Qe4+ Qe5 16. Qxe5+ Kd8 17. Rxf8# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Ke8 12. Nc3 Bc5+
13. Kh1 Bd6 14. Nd5 Qg7 15. Bxd6 cxd6 16. Rae1+ Ne7 17. Rxe7+ Qxe7
18. Nxe7 Na6 19. Qf7+ Kd8 20. Nd5 Re8 21. Qf6+ Re7 22. Qxe7# 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5
Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Bc5+ 12. Kh1 Bd4
13. c3 d6 14. cxd4 Ke8 15. Nc3 Ne7 16. Rae1 Kd8 17. Nd5 Nxd5 18. Qxd5
Bf5 19. Qxb7 Bd3 20. Be5 Qxf1+ 21. Rxf1 dxe5 22. Rf7 Ke8 23. Qxc7
exd4 24. Qe7#
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Feb-19-09
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: <cuendillar's> comments might have a basis in truth. In many critical variations, White plays Nc3 for no other reason than to develop the QR. The Knight itself is usually superfluous. Therefore, without the Nb1 in an odds game, White saves a critical tempo by developing the Rook immediately. Which leads to another probably apocryphal story involving Emmanuel Lasker. He and a friend stopped at a tavern for lunch and discovered a local champion who gave Knight odds to all comers for small stakes and won every game. No one in the tavern recognized the man who held the World Championship for almost 3 decades. Lasker and his friend watched a few games. In every game, the local champ played a Muzio Gambit. Lasker whispered to his friend, "This local champion will buy us lunch." Lasker challenged the champ for a small stake, took the Black pieces--and lost. He got crushed. The locals laughed at him. Then he challenged the champ again, for much higher stakes, but this time, Lasker would have the White pieces and give Knight odds! The local champ agreed and everyone thought that Lasker would get crushed again--after all, he lost with an extra Knight, right? But Lasker blew the local champ off the board in less than 20 moves and pocketed a handsome cash prize. He then told the locals that giving Knight odds makes the Muzio Gambit a forced win for White. As he and his friend sat down to their meal, his friend asked, "Was that true, what you said about the Muzio?" Lasker shrugged and replied, "Why do you care? We're eating for free!" Another one of those stories you wish were true, but probably aren't. |
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Sep-11-19
 | | louispaulsen88888888: I’m changing my middle name to Whipps! |
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Dec-23-19 | | gambitfan: 1) -1.88 (26 ply) 9...♕f5 10.♗xf4 ♘f6 11.♗e5 ♕xf3 12.♖xf3 ♗e7 13.♘c3 d6 14.♗xf6 ♗xf6 15.♖af1 ♘d7 16.♘d5 h5 17.♘xf6 ♘xf6 18.♖xf6+ ♔e7 19.♖f7+ ♔d8 20.♖g7 ♗e6 21.b3 b5 22.♖f6 ♗d5 23.♖f5 ♗c6 24.♖ff7 ♖c8 25.c4 a6 26.♖f5 ♗e8 27.♔f2 h4 28.cxb5 ♗xb5 |
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Jul-09-20 | | jith1207: Nice stories :) |
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Jul-09-20 | | Brenin: Great story. Does "Lasker" mean "Hustler" in English? |
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Jul-09-20
 | | FSR: <Brenin> It means someone from Lask. Cf. Hamburger, Frankfurter, Wiener, Berliner. |
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Jul-09-20
 | | catlover: "The Day the Muzio Died." LOL! |
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Jul-09-20 | | TheaN: <cuendillar: Steinitz' comment about this being sounder if white gives knight odds seems a bit strange. An Englishman: Good Evening: <cuendillar's> comments might have a basis in truth. In many critical variations, White plays Nc3 for no other reason than to develop the QR. The Knight itself is usually superfluous. Therefore, without the Nb1 in an odds game, White saves a critical tempo by developing the Rook immediately.> There's logic to it. It is however, objectively the opposite. 8.Bxf7+ in a regular position is -2.8 whereas with QN odds it's -9.4 (30-ply SF10). The problem is the lack of pieces. In the 9....Qf5 variation with odds Black's simply three pieces up. The fact that they're undeveloped doesn't change this fact. After 10.Bxf4 Nf6 they both have just one minor piece developed but White has no more to develop. With major pieces alone you don't win games. Even if Black plays what are otherwise suboptimal variations in the double Muzio: after 9....Qf5 10.Bxf4 Nf6 11.Rae1 (the point, right?) Nc6?! 12.Qb3+:
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Black can defend himself with the otherwise ridiculously looking 12....d5 13.Be5 Nxe5! 14.Rxf5 Bxf5 15.dxe5 Bc5+ 16.Kh1 (Kf1 Nd7 and White's king is confined to the center) Rae8:
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Black just surrended Q:R, but is still three pieces up in exchange. Tl;dr: if you throw three pieces in eight moves you lack firepower. |
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Jul-09-20 | | goodevans: Did <Immortal Gambit> just steal <MissScarlett>'s thorny crown? |
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Jul-09-20
 | | An Englishman: Good Afternoon: <goodevans>, the courtroom was adjourned. No verdict was returned. |
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Jul-09-20
 | | perfidious: Big question: did Lenin read the book on Marx, and were dirges then sung in the dark? |
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Jul-09-20 | | morfishine: Walter Sho got whipped |
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Jul-09-20
 | | HeMateMe: Took my Showy to the Walter/
But the Walter had died/ |
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Jul-10-20
 | | MissScarlett: <Took my Showy to the Walter/ But the Walter had died/> Why must you torture us with this schittt!? #justeffoff |
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Jul-10-20
 | | OhioChessFan: Yeah, that's almost as bad as "Lou's Day". |
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Jul-10-20
 | | MissScarlett: I'm winning <Pun of the Year> this year, dude, so quit your griping. |
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