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Rene Letelier Martner vs Robert James Fischer
"A Queen for the King" (game of the day Jul-29-2005)
Leipzig Olympiad qual-4 (1960), Leipzig GDR, rd 8, Oct-24
King's Indian Defense: Normal Variation (E70)  ·  0-1

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Oct-23-13
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  FSR: <hedgeh0g> Well said. John L Watson makes essentially the same points in <Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 2>, pp. 188-89. After 4...0-0 5.Bg5! d6 6.Qd2! White has gotten to play Bg5 straightaway, without prefacing it with Be2 (the Averbakh) or f3 (the Sämisch). He scores a massive 64.6% in CG.com's database (albeit with a small sample size - only 130 games). Opening Explorer

Note also that after 4...d6(!), 5.Bg5 sucks like a duck in a truck who needs a good - well, you get the idea. Black plays 5...h6, and on 6.Bh4 c5 7.d5 (7.dxc5 Qa5 8.Bd3 Qxc5=), 7...g5 8.Bg3 Qa5! 9.Bd3 (9.Qd2 Nh5! wins the bishop pair) Nxe4! and Black is better. Watson cites Black's crushing victories in Stein vs Geller, 1966 and Spassky vs Fischer, 1992.

Sep-01-14  Mating Net: White probably thought that 21...Rxe3! was an exchange sacrifice. When Fischer played 23...Qxf4!! he must have been stunned.
May-12-16  RookFile: I'm sure you're right. He was probably expecting some other check, like ...Qb6+ or ....Ng4+. For a few seconds, he must have thought Fischer had completely lost it.
Jul-17-16  kishore4u: A queen for the king
Jul-17-16
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  offramp: <kishore4u: A queen for the king.>

Yes. Some queen sacrifices can be a bit samey, like the one Qxh7+ followed by Rh3+ and Rh8#, or the Q-sac used in a smothered mate.

This one, though, is really different, especially with the opposing king in the middle of the board.

Jul-17-16  steinitzfan: Interesting game -- because years ago I thought I understood it. Now it takes all my powers of visualization and calculation to see that Black wins if White declines the queen sac.
Jul-17-16  morfishine: Yep, its a beaut, no doubt
Jul-17-16
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  drollere: i don't think 5. e5 was the big mistake here. it was opening the center with inessential pawn captures and wasting moves rearranging the minor pieces before castling.

if you have to move minor pieces that many times you should just trade them off the board.

all along every one of black's pieces is perfectly placed, and this is not really a "queen sacrifice" since mate follows and the K has retreat squares to prolong the agony.

meanwhile white's Q has the important role of blocking her own R and attacking along a blocked diagonal instead of helping the attacked bishop. may as well take the Q and R off the board.

Sep-01-16
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  Chutzpah: The move 5.e5 gave Fischer a nice "rope a dope" game. Fischer called 5.e5 "weak".
Sep-01-16  TheFocus: I was looking at an Alekhine game where he used Fischer's idea first (1...Nf6, 2...g6, 3...Bg7, 4...O-O).

I wonder if Bobby knew that?

Dec-20-16  bobbyperez: Let's analyze this!

If 24.Kf2 then 24...Nd4! 25.Qd3 Ng4+! 26.Kg2 Ne3+! .The finish might be 26.Kg1 Nxf3+ 27.Kf2 Ne5+!

Can you understand Descriptive?

If 24.K-B2 then 24...N-Q5! 25.Q-Q3 N-N5+! 26.K-N2 N-K6+! .The finish might be 26.K-N1 NxB+ 27.K-B2 N-K4+!

Mar-24-17  brainhack: very well said bobby perez,martner did not finish the match since all of the minor pieces of fisher is active and ready to mate the king,also the rook of white is still stock on his original position.
Aug-24-17  dehanne: <I don't think it has anything to do with 5.e5, but rather 5.Bg5!

The point is that if Black responds with 5...h6, the bishop can retreat to e3, since the g4 square is not available for the Black knight. After 6...d6, White can opt for either a favourable Sämisch with 7.f3 or adopt a more flexible setup with 7.Be2. In any case, an eventual Qd2 is going to come with tempo.

And if Black doesn't play ...h6, White will naturally follow up with Qd2 with a nice game. Of course, it's hardly a refutation of the opening, but it does suggest, in my view, that 4...O-O is arguably an inaccuracy.> Black plays 5...c5, leading to familiar territory.

In some of his KID books Gufeld gives 4...0-0 an exclamation mark.

Aug-24-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: I'm totally puzzled..

10... Qa5

Lately I am totally into symmetry you know.. you know.. you know..

So...

10... Qa5 11. Qd2 Qd2 (symmetry!) 12. Nd2 de5 13. Bc5 ef4 14. 0-0-0 Nf6 15 Lf8 Lf8 (s...)

Aug-24-17
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  WorstPlayerEver:


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Very nice symmetry!

Aug-24-17
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  WorstPlayerEver: Anyway, 12... Qc7 is a bit of a blunder; 13. f5 much stronker

Fischer, one of those patzers from the sixties, should therefore have played 12... de5

Key word is: active play, also called 'attack.'

Nov-20-18  Mini Morphy: Just brutaly!
Jun-27-19  Patzer Natmas: Game featured in "New in Chess - Tactics and - Bobby Fischer "

Solve for black on move 21...

Jun-27-19  Charlie Durman: Games like this allied with the colossus of social media and you'll get ridiculous and absurd comments.

FISCHER is the GREATEST.

Live with it. Accept it. Move on. 👍

Apr-16-20  Terminator123: Letelier would lose his f3 Bishop in all variations: 24) Kf2 Ng4+, 25) Kg2 Ne3+, 26) Kf2 Nd4, 27) Qh1 Ng4+
Apr-16-20  Granny O Doul: <bobbyperez> In your last line White might also choose to go this way: 27. Kh3 Qg4+ 28. Bxg4 fxg4+ 29. Kh4 Bf6#.
Jul-25-20
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  plang: I can't believe that 5 e5 is that bad - in this game White just got way too greedy in the opening. For instance 10 Ne4?! was just asking for trouble. 11 Ng3?! was inconsistent; Fischer gave 11 Nxd6..Nxd6 12 Qxd6..Qxd6 13 exd..Bxb2 14 Rd1..Nb4 15 Kf2..Nxa2 16 Ne2..a5 with perhaps some chances of saving a draw. 13 Qb1?! was another head scratcher.
Aug-12-20  CalvinT: he's good
Feb-20-21
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  War62: I agree with plang's comments: e5 didn't lose the game. 10 had much more to do with it, Ne4? gave black a big advantage - Nf3 would have been much better. 10...Bf5?! a day early, which is better than a day late, I would have started with 10...Qa5+ 11.Qd2 Qxd2+ 12.Bxd2 dxe5 13.fxe5 Bxe5 14.0-0-0, then Bf5. 11.Ng3, I like Nxd6 better here.
12...Qc7? - If Bobby moves dxe5 13.Qxd8 Rxd8 14.fxe5 Nxe5 15.Rd1 Rxd1+ 16.Kxd1 Nxc4 17.Bxc4 Bxc4 18.Bc5 Nd6 19.Bxd6 Rd8 20.Ne4 and he has a great game! 13.Qb1?? - missing f5 here is the ball game, or in Bobby's case, the Hockey game at Madison Square Gardens. 23...Qxf4+ and it's mate in about 14 moves, that's all folks. GO RANGERS!
Feb-20-21  sudoplatov: Perhaps 10.Nf3 to get some more pieces out would be better. Still, 5.Bg5 looks good as mentioned before. Maybe Black has to reply 5...c6
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