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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal
"French Drawings" (game of the day Oct-15-2007)
Leipzig Olympiad Final-A (1960), Leipzig GDR, rd 5, Nov-01
French Defense: Winawer. Retreat Variation Armenian Line (C18)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal (1960) French Drawings


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Feb-17-17
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  keypusher: <Howard: Soltis called this draw one of the most "overrated" games in history, and, frankly, he's right. It was a good game, but not worth all the hype in my view.>

Tal and Fischer both included it in their best games collections. It's probably worth a fair amount of hype.

Feb-17-17  Howard: Regarding the above comment, Soltis did concede one point about that game, and that was that neither Fischer nor Tal "could have been accused of self-promotion" because they were both known for being very objective about their games.

Soltis, however, also argued that the game actually had a few errors in it that Fischer (I've never seen Tal's comments, though.) had missed. He also stated (and I think Soltis was dead-on)that probably the main reason this game got so much undue attention was because of the strong rivalry between these two.

In other words, if the two players in this overrated encounter had been almost anyone else, this game would have been forgotten decades ago.

Feb-17-17
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  keypusher: <Soltis, however, also argued that the game actually had a few errors in it that Fischer (I've never seen Tal's comments, though.) had missed.>

This game has <lots> of errors. But it's legendary.

Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910

< He also stated (and I think Soltis was dead-on)that probably the main reason this game got so much undue attention was because of the strong rivalry between these two.>

Does Soltis think that is why Fischer and Tal themselves were impressed?

<In other words, if the two players in this overrated encounter had been almost anyone else, this game would have been forgotten decades ago.>

Games are rarely evaluated independently of the circumstances in which they were played.

Nov-18-17
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  Octavia: Fancy - a chess Olympiad in Leipzig, DDR! I was 5 then, learned chess from 1 of my big bro & played it with family, friends & in pubs until I went to sleepy Scotland in 1970 where I learned that you could play chess in clubs & competitions. Chess was a well kept secret.
Nov-18-17
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  maxi: Surely this is a fascinating game. Perhaps some of the negative comments come from overexposure. You tend to be less impressed with something you are very used to.
Jul-09-18
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  Stonehenge: French Drawings:

https://sah.hr/forum/index.php?topi...

Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Many beautiful pictures in <Stonehenge>'s source! Where is it from, Slovenia? Unfortunately I have zero knowledge of the Slavic languages.
Jul-09-18
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  Stonehenge: It's a Croatian site.
Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Look <morphishine>, what I meant before by "Objectively speaking" is that the move 19.Kh1 probably would have a higher computer evaluation, but that from a human perspective is it perhaps better to play 19.Kf1, because, while the draw is less obvious for White, the going is very tricky for Black and he actually has losing chances. Not that I think you really care; you probably just felt like insulting somebody.
Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Thank you <Stonehenge>.
Jul-21-18  Albion 1959: The picture shows Tal about to make his 7th move Ne7. A lively colourful little game, far removed from all those "Grandmaster draws". I don't understand why Soltis is so disparaging about this game? Okay, it's flawed, but given the level of sharp tactical play, it is very rare even for strong grandmasters to find the right moves. Maybe with a top rate search engine or computer, would it be possible to grind out the correct move at every turn? Who is Andy Soltis anyway? I doubt if he would have got a draw in this position against either of these two, playing with the white or black pieces! If he had got a draw, I reckon that he would have been quite pleased with his efforts? A draw against the World Champion and a future World Champion!
Oct-16-19
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  Octavia: it's in DRAW, The Art of the Half-Point in Chess by Verkhovsky. The last game in the book with 7...Ne7 missing. That's why I had to come here today.
Nov-17-19  outplayer: Games like this would never occur between two patzers. They were geniuses.
Nov-20-19  dashjon: 19 Kh1 is one of my favorite moves of all time.
Apr-16-20  Terminator123: In my modest opinion, the black dressed man behind Fischer is Jonathan Penrose.
Apr-16-20
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  chancho: Here's a picture of Penrose from the same event:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...

Doesn't look like the fellow behind Fischer.

Apr-17-20
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  roberts partner: The black dressed player peering over the board behind Fischer is actually Julius Szabo of Romania. Take it from me, I played Julius Szabo at that Olympiad in Leipzig 1960.
Apr-17-20
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  perfidious: <roberts partner>, I was about to ask whether you ever met the better-known Laszlo Szabo, then unearthed a game.

Out of respect for your privacy, I shall not post the link to it.

Oct-11-20  Chesgambit: good game
Oct-11-20  RandomVisitor: There is 12.Bf4:


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<45/71 09:30 +1.12 12.Bf4 Bd7 13.a6> 0-0-0 14.Qd3 Rg4 15.axb7+ Kb8 16.g3 Ng6 17.Qxc3 d4 18.Qc5 Be8 19.h3 Rd5 20.Qc4 Rxf4 21.gxf4 Qa5+

Oct-11-20  RandomVisitor: There is 14.Re1:


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<59/96 2:43:56 +0.69 14.Re1 Qxa5 15.Bxc6 Bxc6 16.Nd4> Qa4 17.Qd3 Rg4 18.Be3 Rdg8 19.g3 Ng6 20.Qxc3 Nxe5 21.f4 Nc4 22.Rab1 Qxa3 23.Qxa3 Nxa3

Oct-12-20  RandomVisitor: This time the position at move 11:


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<67/90 9:38:04 +1.53 11.Nf3 Qc7 12.Bf4 Bd7 13.a6 0-0-0 14.Qd3 Rg4 15.axb7+ Kb8> 16.g3 Ng6 17.Qxc3 Nxf4 18.h3 Nxh3 19.Rxh3 Ra4 20.Be2 d4

Oct-12-20  RandomVisitor: <Saniyat24: What are the other interesting options of White in the 16th move instead of Nf7?>

Glad you asked:


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<62/88 1:11:44 0.00 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.Rfe1 Rdf8 18.a4 Ba6> 19.Rad1 Qc7 20.Qh3 Kb8 21.Qf3 Ka8 22.h3 f6 23.Nd3 e5 24.Qxd5 Rd8 25.Qe6 Rge8

Nov-10-20  MordimerChess: Playing French Defense 1 year after beating Bobby 4-0 in Candidates Tournament was quite a psychological warfare idea.

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Jan-06-21
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  plang: The line with 5..Ba5 has always been a sideline though Botvinnik had used it three times against Smyslov in their 1954 match and Vaganian and Lputian had used it many times in the 80s and 90s. Fischer gave 12 Bb5 an exclamation point but nowadays 12 Bf4 is the main line and is considered stronger. 12..Rxg2 13 Kf1..Rg8 14 Rg1 would have favored White. Fischer gives the variation 14 Bxc6..Bxc6 15 Qxf7..d4 16 Qxe6+..Bd7 17 Qxe7..Rxg2+ 18 Kxg2..Bh3+ 19 Kxh3..Qxe7 20 Bg5 with a win for White but Psakhis thinks that White's advantage would not be decisive if Black plays instead (in the above variation) 18 Kh1..Rxf3 19 Bg5..Rgxf2 20 Rxf2..Rxf2 21 Kg1..Rf5 22 Bf6. Tal thought that he could play for a win with 19..Qc4 20 Qxe7..Rg8 but realized that after 21 Nf4! White would have had the better chances.

I have always loved these French Poisoned Pawn variations (Qg4 and Qxg7) - they always lead to exciting, double edged games like this one.

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