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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal
"French Drawings" (game of the day Oct-15-2007)
Leipzig ol (Men) fin-A (1960), Leipzig GDR, rd 5, Nov-01
French Defense: Winawer. Retreat Variation Armenian Line (C18)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal (1960) French Drawings


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Sep-30-16  Howard: One would suspect that Soltis COULD have played at this level...if he had a computer to help him, naturally.

Still say Soltis was correct when he stated in his book that if the two players in this game had been almost anyone else, this game would have been quickly forgotten.

Oct-01-16
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  HeMateMe: <I'm still blaming HeMateMe.>

You're not the first person to say that.

Oct-01-16
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  HeMateMe: was Leipzig in East or West Germany?
Oct-01-16
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <HMM>--East Germany.
Nov-08-16  Saniyat24: What are the other interesting options of White in the 16th move instead of Nf7?
Nov-25-16  amaurobius: <Joshka: I posted the pic on Ray's page, this will get settled once and for all :-) Heck even Nigel would know too> Ray has replied on 24 November - he thinks Forintos or possibly Eising.
Nov-25-16
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  roberts partner: <Joshka: I posted the pic on Ray's page, this will get settled once and for all :-) Heck even Nigel would know too> Ray has replied on 24 November - he thinks Forintos or possibly Eising.

Neither Forintos nor Eising was present at Leipzig 1960. The correct identification of the dark-suited spectator is given on page 4 of this thread.

Feb-17-17
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  keypusher: <Howard: Soltis called this draw one of the most "overrated" games in history, and, frankly, he's right. It was a good game, but not worth all the hype in my view.>

Tal and Fischer both included it in their best games collections. It's probably worth a fair amount of hype.

Feb-17-17  Howard: Regarding the above comment, Soltis did concede one point about that game, and that was that neither Fischer nor Tal "could have been accused of self-promotion" because they were both known for being very objective about their games.

Soltis, however, also argued that the game actually had a few errors in it that Fischer (I've never seen Tal's comments, though.) had missed. He also stated (and I think Soltis was dead-on)that probably the main reason this game got so much undue attention was because of the strong rivalry between these two.

In other words, if the two players in this overrated encounter had been almost anyone else, this game would have been forgotten decades ago.

Feb-17-17
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  keypusher: <Soltis, however, also argued that the game actually had a few errors in it that Fischer (I've never seen Tal's comments, though.) had missed.>

This game has <lots> of errors. But it's legendary.

Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910

< He also stated (and I think Soltis was dead-on)that probably the main reason this game got so much undue attention was because of the strong rivalry between these two.>

Does Soltis think that is why Fischer and Tal themselves were impressed?

<In other words, if the two players in this overrated encounter had been almost anyone else, this game would have been forgotten decades ago.>

Games are rarely evaluated independently of the circumstances in which they were played.

Nov-18-17  Octavia: Fancy - a chess Olympiad in Leipzig, DDR! I was 5 then, learned chess from 1 of my big bro & played it with family, friends & in pubs until I went to sleepy Scotland in 1970 where I learned that you could play chess in clubs & competitions. Chess was a well kept secret.
Nov-18-17
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  maxi: Surely this is a fascinating game. Perhaps some of the negative comments come from overexposure. You tend to be less impressed with something you are very used to.
Jul-09-18
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  Stonehenge: French Drawings:

https://sah.hr/forum/index.php?topi...

Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Many beautiful pictures in <Stonehenge>'s source! Where is it from, Slovenia? Unfortunately I have zero knowledge of the Slavic languages.
Jul-09-18
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  Stonehenge: It's a Croatian site.
Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Look <morphishine>, what I meant before by "Objectively speaking" is that the move 19.Kh1 probably would have a higher computer evaluation, but that from a human perspective is it perhaps better to play 19.Kf1, because, while the draw is less obvious for White, the going is very tricky for Black and he actually has losing chances. Not that I think you really care; you probably just felt like insulting somebody.
Jul-09-18
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  maxi: Thank you <Stonehenge>.
Jul-21-18  Albion 1959: The picture shows Tal about to make his 7th move Ne7. A lively colourful little game, far removed from all those "Grandmaster draws". I don't understand why Soltis is so disparaging about this game? Okay, it's flawed, but given the level of sharp tactical play, it is very rare even for strong grandmasters to find the right moves. Maybe with a top rate search engine or computer, would it be possible to grind out the correct move at every turn? Who is Andy Soltis anyway? I doubt if he would have got a draw in this position against either of these two, playing with the white or black pieces! If he had got a draw, I reckon that he would have been quite pleased with his efforts? A draw against the World Champion and a future World Champion!
Oct-16-19  Octavia: it's in DRAW, The Art of the Half-Point in Chess by Verkhovsky. The last game in the book with 7...Ne7 missing. That's why I had to come here today.
Nov-17-19  outplayer: Games like this would never occur between two patzers. They were geniuses.
Nov-20-19  dashjon: 19 Kh1 is one of my favorite moves of all time.
Apr-16-20  Terminator123: In my modest opinion, the black dressed man behind Fischer is Jonathan Penrose.
Apr-16-20
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  chancho: Here's a picture of Penrose from the same event:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...

Doesn't look like the fellow behind Fischer.

Apr-17-20
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  roberts partner: The black dressed player peering over the board behind Fischer is actually Julius Szabo of Romania. Take it from me, I played Julius Szabo at that Olympiad in Leipzig 1960.
Apr-17-20
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  perfidious: <roberts partner>, I was about to ask whether you ever met the better-known Laszlo Szabo, then unearthed a game.

Out of respect for your privacy, I shall not post the link to it.

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