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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal
"French Drawings" (game of the day Oct-15-2007)
Leipzig Olympiad Final-A (1960), Leipzig GDR, rd 5, Nov-01
French Defense: Winawer. Retreat Variation Armenian Line (C18)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Robert James Fischer vs Mikhail Tal (1960) French Drawings


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Jul-09-18  maxi: Thank you <Stonehenge>.
Jul-21-18  Albion 1959: The picture shows Tal about to make his 7th move Ne7. A lively colourful little game, far removed from all those "Grandmaster draws". I don't understand why Soltis is so disparaging about this game? Okay, it's flawed, but given the level of sharp tactical play, it is very rare even for strong grandmasters to find the right moves. Maybe with a top rate search engine or computer, would it be possible to grind out the correct move at every turn? Who is Andy Soltis anyway? I doubt if he would have got a draw in this position against either of these two, playing with the white or black pieces! If he had got a draw, I reckon that he would have been quite pleased with his efforts? A draw against the World Champion and a future World Champion!
Oct-16-19  Octavia: it's in DRAW, The Art of the Half-Point in Chess by Verkhovsky. The last game in the book with 7...Ne7 missing. That's why I had to come here today.
Nov-17-19  outplayer: Games like this would never occur between two patzers. They were geniuses.
Nov-20-19  dashjon: 19 Kh1 is one of my favorite moves of all time.
Apr-16-20  Terminator123: In my modest opinion, the black dressed man behind Fischer is Jonathan Penrose.
Apr-16-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: Here's a picture of Penrose from the same event:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...

Doesn't look like the fellow behind Fischer.

Apr-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  roberts partner: The black dressed player peering over the board behind Fischer is actually Julius Szabo of Romania. Take it from me, I played Julius Szabo at that Olympiad in Leipzig 1960.
Apr-17-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <roberts partner>, I was about to ask whether you ever met the better-known Laszlo Szabo, then unearthed a game.

Out of respect for your privacy, I shall not post the link to it.

Oct-11-20  Chesgambit: good game
Oct-11-20  RandomVisitor: There is 12.Bf4:


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<45/71 09:30 +1.12 12.Bf4 Bd7 13.a6> 0-0-0 14.Qd3 Rg4 15.axb7+ Kb8 16.g3 Ng6 17.Qxc3 d4 18.Qc5 Be8 19.h3 Rd5 20.Qc4 Rxf4 21.gxf4 Qa5+

Oct-11-20  RandomVisitor: There is 14.Re1:


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<59/96 2:43:56 +0.69 14.Re1 Qxa5 15.Bxc6 Bxc6 16.Nd4> Qa4 17.Qd3 Rg4 18.Be3 Rdg8 19.g3 Ng6 20.Qxc3 Nxe5 21.f4 Nc4 22.Rab1 Qxa3 23.Qxa3 Nxa3

Oct-12-20  RandomVisitor: This time the position at move 11:


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<67/90 9:38:04 +1.53 11.Nf3 Qc7 12.Bf4 Bd7 13.a6 0-0-0 14.Qd3 Rg4 15.axb7+ Kb8> 16.g3 Ng6 17.Qxc3 Nxf4 18.h3 Nxh3 19.Rxh3 Ra4 20.Be2 d4

Oct-12-20  RandomVisitor: <Saniyat24: What are the other interesting options of White in the 16th move instead of Nf7?>

Glad you asked:


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<62/88 1:11:44 0.00 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.Rfe1 Rdf8 18.a4 Ba6> 19.Rad1 Qc7 20.Qh3 Kb8 21.Qf3 Ka8 22.h3 f6 23.Nd3 e5 24.Qxd5 Rd8 25.Qe6 Rge8

Nov-10-20  MordimerChess: Playing French Defense 1 year after beating Bobby 4-0 in Candidates Tournament was quite a psychological warfare idea.

Video analysis of the game:

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Enjoy and learn!

Jan-06-21
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  plang: The line with 5..Ba5 has always been a sideline though Botvinnik had used it three times against Smyslov in their 1954 match and Vaganian and Lputian had used it many times in the 80s and 90s. Fischer gave 12 Bb5 an exclamation point but nowadays 12 Bf4 is the main line and is considered stronger. 12..Rxg2 13 Kf1..Rg8 14 Rg1 would have favored White. Fischer gives the variation 14 Bxc6..Bxc6 15 Qxf7..d4 16 Qxe6+..Bd7 17 Qxe7..Rxg2+ 18 Kxg2..Bh3+ 19 Kxh3..Qxe7 20 Bg5 with a win for White but Psakhis thinks that White's advantage would not be decisive if Black plays instead (in the above variation) 18 Kh1..Rxf3 19 Bg5..Rgxf2 20 Rxf2..Rxf2 21 Kg1..Rf5 22 Bf6. Tal thought that he could play for a win with 19..Qc4 20 Qxe7..Rg8 but realized that after 21 Nf4! White would have had the better chances.

I have always loved these French Poisoned Pawn variations (Qg4 and Qxg7) - they always lead to exciting, double edged games like this one.

Feb-27-22  jerseybob: <keypusher: <Howard: Soltis called this draw one of the most "overrated" games in history, and, frankly, he's right. It was a good game, but not worth all the hype in my view.> This game was hyped not just on its chessic merits but also the Cold War subtext. The game can't be pried away from that. (And as we're seeing in Ukraine, what helped to drive the CW is still very much alive.) Soltis may mean that we've seen Fischer's games so much since his career ended that we're a little blase to them, and the faults start sticking out more. If that's what he's saying, I agree.
Feb-27-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <jerseybob>

Just in case it's not clear, I was disagreeing with Howard's claim that the game was overhyped. That's why I wrote:

<Games are rarely evaluated independently of the circumstances in which they were played.>

Fischer vs Tal, 1960 (kibitz #186)

and

<Tal and Fischer both included it in their best games collections. It's probably worth a fair amount of hype.>

Fischer vs Tal, 1960 (kibitz #184)

Feb-27-22  SChesshevsky: "Overrated"? Not quite sure what that means. Don't think anyone declared it was the most accurate but plenty of reasons it's of great interest and a great game:

A current WC facing a young upcoming challenger. A challenger who really desires a victory over his opponent. Then the WC stares down the challenger using a battling defense that's not a usual part of his rep. And one that the challenger believes is unsound but has had difficulty proving.

Then, as the game progresses, both players don't hold back their natural attacking instincts. With an inevitable dramatic shoot out.

Guess it might be "overrated" in some way. But appears there isn't a whole lot more you could ask from a chess game.

Feb-27-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dionysius1: Looks like a good game to practice calculating the complicated sequence of captures. I was weak on that when I played. Great fun to follow it through here.
Feb-27-22  jerseybob: <keypusher: <jerseybob> Just in case it's not clear, I was disagreeing with Howard's claim that the game was overhyped. That's why I wrote:<Games are rarely evaluated independently of the circumstances in which they were played.> <kp> I see now I was merely repeating something you pointed out several years ago. The problem is, it was hidden several pages back in the file, and minimizing all those windows might explode my computer!
Feb-27-22  jerseybob: <roberts partner: The black dressed player peering over the board behind Fischer is actually Julius Szabo of Romania. Take it from me, I played Julius Szabo at that Olympiad in Leipzig 1960.> That's fascinating, and I love to read stories like that; you're a living link to the past, if you're still living, which I hope you are! Like <perfidious> I looked Julius Szabo up and found he has a file, at 365Chess. I also noticed he had an unfortunate predilection for the move Qd3(instead of Qd2) as white in the Richter-Rauzer.
Feb-27-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  roberts partner: That 365Chess file doesn't include Julius Szabo's games at Leipzig, but those games can all be found on Olimpbase.
Feb-27-22  macer75: So when are these two playing each other again?
Feb-27-22  jerseybob: <roberts partner: That 365Chess file doesn't include Julius Szabo's games at Leipzig, but those games can all be found on Olimpbase.> Great! When there's time, I'll take out my Sherlock hat, shake off the rodent bits, and see if I can find your game.
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