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Frank James Marshall vs Hyman Rogosin
"The Peasant's Revolt" (game of the day Jun-29-2018)
ch Marshall CC (1940), New York, NY USA, rd 15, Feb-25
Sicilian Defense: Wing Gambit. Marshall Variation (B20)  ·  1-0

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Jul-03-16
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  andrewjsacks: Hy Rogosin's son Donn was the only player to beat Fischer in the 50-board simul in Hollywood in 1964, by the way.
Oct-09-16
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  tpstar: <Yes, I'm the Horrible Example> Hilarious anecdote. :>D

26 ... Bb7? 27. Rd7#.

Oct-10-16
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  NM JRousselle: Hacker J Fagot was a professor at Loyola University in New Orleans. He was a Roman Catholic priest from France.

He was head of the Psychology Dept and an early user of computers. He was the moderator of our chess team.

He was very much beloved by every student that I talked too.

I could go on and on about Fr Fagot (pronounced Fah go). He was amazing and his passing was greatly mourned by all.

Oct-10-16
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  perfidious: <NMJRousselle....(Fr Fagot) was head of the Psychology Dept and an early user of computers....>

So long as he did not attempt to program them....(laughs)

Oct-10-16
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  NM JRousselle: Perfidious, did you know the late Fr Fagot? He was actually quite good at programming.
Oct-10-16
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  perfidious: Never met the gentleman, but with the forename Hacker, a joke on those lines was irresistible.
Mar-26-18
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  Korora: Was Marshall making Ragosin overconfident or something?
Jun-29-18  ChessHigherCat: Let this be a lesson to you! Move pieces not pawns in the opening:


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Jun-29-18
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: I'm not sure why Marshall didn't follow up with 25 Rhd3 after he played 24 Rh3. It would have won more quickly.
Jun-29-18
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  takchess: Now that was fun. An interesting offshoot in the wing gambit. Game Collection: Smirnov Gambit
Jun-29-18
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  Richard Taylor: Amusing game. I'd like to see Marshall's game when he made a beautiful move and the spectators threw gold coins on the table in their appreciation and excitement...
Jun-29-18
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  Richard Taylor: Quickly checks what to do against the Wing Gambit....
Jun-29-18  Castleinthesky: Truly a patzer's game-wonderful!
Jun-29-18
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  takchess: Nigel Davis advocates the Wing gambit in this book. I play it and think it is better for me than Smith Morra. Game Collection: Gambiteer 1 & Gambiteer 2 -Nigel Davies book
Jun-29-18  7he5haman: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: I'm not sure why Marshall didn't follow up with 25 Rhd3 after he played 24 Rh3. It would have won more quickly.>

I think 25.Rhd3 is met by 25...Nxh6 when the Knight defends f7 as we as giving the King an escape square at g7.

Jun-29-18
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <7he5haman>--According to The Computer, after 25 Rhd3 Nxh6 26 Ngxh7 renews the threat of mate on d7, and black has no escape.

mate-in-6 (29 ply) 25.Rhd3 Nxh6 26.Ngxh7 Rxh7 27.Rd8 Rh8 28.Rxh8 Ng8 29.Rxg8 g5 30.Re8#

Jun-29-18  posoo: FOOSER, it PANES me to see u write so many EXTRA WORDS.

Da WHOLE SENTENCE about LACUNAE is oviusly used to make da chesgams comunaty AWARE dat u know what da word LACUNA means!

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A STUDY HALL IS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLANE IT.

Jun-29-18  ChessHigherCat: <NM JRousselle: Hacker J Fagot.. Fr Fagot (pronounced Fah go).>

What is Fr, Frère? He sounds like a nice guy but I'm sure you could not "go fah" in his class if you pronounced the final "t".

Jun-29-18
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  AylerKupp: This is the game from the 1964 Fischer exhibition that <andrewjsacks> was referring to: Fischer vs D Rogosin, 1964.

And <andrewjsacks> was too modest. He was sitting next to Donn and "only" drew his game against Fischer: Fischer vs A Sacks, 1964. And both <andrewjsacks> and IM John Donaldson saw that 39...Bxh4 instead of 39...Qe2 would probably have won. But, as <andrewjsacks> said in his notes to the game, "Yes, 39...Bxh4 was the move, all right--but as I think I said below, I was so pleased at that point as a 15-year-old kid to get a draw with the great Fischer, I did not notice it and simply went for the sure draw. C'est la vie."

But I do think that both <andrewjsacks> and Donn Rogosin had balls to play the Sicilian Najdorf against Fischer, given the later's expertise in the opening. And Fischer was fortunate that I wasn't playing in that exhibition otherwise his record would have been worse. After all, my favorite as Black against 1.e4 was 1...e6, and we all know how relatively poorly Fischer did against the French Defense. ;-)

Jun-29-18
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  AylerKupp: Am I the only one that thinks it's funny that after 14 straight pawn moves that it's <White> who is ahead in development after 20.Nf3 d6? That is, of course, if you don't count Black's king on f8 as "development".

I did, I think, get a chance to play against Hy Rogosin in a tournament in the mid-60s but, if I did, I'm sure that I lost. So I guess that Marshall was a better player than I was, even if he was averse to developing his pieces. :-)

Jun-29-18
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  Arn Zufeld: And I always tell my students to develop,develop,develop and then find where the king lives. Can’t let them see this game!
Jun-29-18  JohnBoy: <adnrewjsacks> mentioned above Rogosin's son Donn playing Fischer in ElLay. In mid-70s So Cal there was an old guy named Hy Rogosin who played at some opens and occasionally in Hy Rogosin. Gotta be the loser here.
Jun-29-18
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  AylerKupp: <JohnBoy> Yes, he's the loser here. And if you read <Phony Benoni>'s earlier post (Marshall vs H Rogosin, 1940 (kibitz #10)), Hy Rogosin referred to himself as "the Horrible Example". Good to see that he had a sense of humor.
Jun-29-18  cormier: Notes by Stockfish 8 (minimum 30s/ply) 4... Nf6; better is 4...Nxb4 5.c3 Nc6 6.d4 d5 7.exd5 Qxd5 8.Nf3 Nf6 = +0.12 (25 ply). 5. b5 + / = +0.83 (31 ply) 5... Nd4 6. c3 Ne6 7. e5?; 7.Qc2 Qc7 8.Nf3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.d4 g6 11.Qb3 Nb6 + / = +1.00 (39 ply)
Jan-25-20  karban: The game just shows how reach chess is. Actually, the peasant's revolt-the chess variant the pun for this game derives from, is a highly instructive tool for learning how to deal with pawns against knights and vice versa. White starts with king and eight pawns, black with king, three knights and a single pawn. I can recommend it.
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