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Siegbert Tarrasch vs Romberg
"Fiddling While Rom Burns" (game of the day Apr-15-2007)
Nuremberg (1893) (unorthodox), Nuremberg GER
Chess variants (000)  ·  1-0

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Sep-02-17  Arconax: <ChessH.Cat> Thx, I'll have a look!
Sep-02-17  Whitehat1963: Yeah, no. Didn't come close to finding my way through that rat's nest!
Sep-02-17  NBZ: <ChessHigherCat> 16. ... Kh5 17. Nf6+ Kg6! (not Kh4) and I don't see an easy way for White to win.

I puzzled over 16. ... Kh5 for a long time - the game continuation is quite genius and I didn't see it at all. In the end I ended up with 17. Rf6, threatening Rh6#, and now:

A] 17. ... Bxe6 18. Rh6+ Kg4 19. Nf6#

B] 17. ... Ng6 18. Ng7+ Kh4 19. g3+ Kh3 20. Nf4#

Sadly I just saw a third option for Black: C] 17. ... Qxe6!

Sep-02-17  diagonalley: didn't even notice that tarrasch was giving rook odds!!
Sep-02-17  Altairvega: 15. Qh6+ Kh6 gives the possibility of a venomous discovered check 16. Ne6+ Kg6 or rather better for Black Kh5 17. Rf6 and 18. Rh6+
Sep-02-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <NBZ> Qxe6 is a bit of wet blanket!

I think I've finally nailed it:

14...Kxg7 15. Qxh6+ Kxh6 16. Nxf7+ Kg7 17. Bh6+ Kg6 ( Kg8 18. Nf6#) 18. Rf6+ Kh5 19. Nf4+ Kh4 20. g3#

Sep-02-17  Altairvega: I followed Yarrash to the move 16. I overlooked that Rf6 Rh6 nay hindered by Blacks 17..Ng6. Then 18 Nef4+ NxN 19 NxN+ and white wins also in this line
Sep-02-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Just to cover Kh5, too: Kxh6 16. Nxf7+ Kh5 17. Nf4+ Kh4 18. g3#

Well, thanks to the prodding of <NBZ> and <nalinw> I realized it's not as simple as it looks and maybe Tarrasch's solution looks a little cuter but I'll make do with my home-grown.

Sep-02-17  AlicesKnight: I saw 15.Qh6+ Kxh6; 16.Ne6+ as the break, and then went wrong in the chase. The final position, with the minor pieces working in concert, is attractive.
Sep-02-17  morfishine: I saw this somewhere: <15.Qxh6+> and one can almost hear the hunting dogs baying in the distance...

Gotta love the multi-faceted <19.Rf6+> which besides checking the Black King, (1) fixes Black's f-pawn in place & (2) forces the Black King to <f6> where White's minors finish him off

Lovely

*****

Sep-02-17  gofer: What a treat! A queen sac on a <Saturday>...

<15 Qxh6+ Kxh6 > (Kg8/Kh8 16 Qxh7#)

<16 Ne6+ Kh5> (Kg6 17 Rf6+ Kh5 18 Rh6#)

<17 Ndf4+ Kg5/Kh6> (Kh4 18 g3#!)

<18 Ne2+!!! ...>

White lines up a beautiful mate with 2N+B, but black doesn't have to walk into it, but there are other mates in the offing in black refuses to play ball.

18 ... Kg6
19 Rf6+!!!! Kxf6
20 Bg5+ Kg6
21 N2f4#


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Combinations like this don't come along very often. Truly Beautiful.

<18 ... Kh5>
<19 Rf6! ...>

The mating net is complete and there are so many mates on offer that black looks to be doomed (i.e. Moving Ra8, Rf8, Pa7, Pb7, Pc7, Ph7, Bc5 anywhere allows 20 Rh6#/Rxh6#). So that just leaves the defences up to poor old Ne5 and Bg4, because the alternative of returning the queen sac with another queen sac would be a bitter pill to swallow; Qxe6?!

19 ... Bxe6/Bf3/Bf3
20 Rh6+ Kg4
21 h3#

19 ... Bxe2/Bh3
20 Rh6+ Kg4
21 Bxe2+/Be2+ Nf3
22 Bxf3#

If the bishop stays where it is the Ne4 has no option, but to block Rh6#

19 ... Ng6
20 Ng7+ Kh4
21 g3+ Kh3
22 Ng1+ Bxg1
23 Bf1#

So, black has no choice but to give up its queen after all!

<19 ... Qxe6>
<20 Bxe6 ...>


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At this point Romberg must have had a sense of <Deja Vu> all the same problems exist (Rh6# and Ng3#), but his queen is no longer on the board!!! Worse than that is it is even clearer now that all bishop moves lose very quickly and only Nd5 has any chance to save the day.

20 ... Bxe2 21 Rh6#
20 ... Any other bishop move 21 Rh6+ Kg4 22 h3#

<20 ... Ng6 >

<21 Bxg4+ Kxg4>

<22 h3+ Kh4>

<23 Kh2! ...>


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Okay, still lots of options for black, but all of them seem to be losing...

~~~

What a pleasure that was, even if Romberg didn't play the best defence !!!!

Sep-02-17  newzild: Saw the first few moves - but not as far as the stunning finish.
Sep-02-17  clement41: Gosh I even set up the position on my board except with the black queen on d8, mistakenly, and thus could not force any win^^
Sep-02-17
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  ChessHigherCat: And just to cover Kg6 in the 16. Nxf7+ variant (which is much more complex, granted):

Kxg7 15. Qxh6+ Kxh6 16. Nxf7+ Kg6 17. Rf6+ Kg7 18. Bh6+ Kg8 19. Nxe5 Rxf6 20. Nxf6+ Kh8 21. Nxe8 Rxe8 (dxe5?? Bg7#)

22. Nf7+ Kg8 23. Rf1 Bd1 24. Nxd6+ Kh8 25. Nxe8 Bd4 26. Rf8#

Sep-02-17  skemup: 15. Qxh6 Kxh6 16.Nxf7++ Kg6 (the longest variation) 17.Rf6+ Kg7 18.Bh6+ Kg8 19.Rg6+ Kxf7 20.Rg7+ Ke6 21.Bg5 with Nf4++ to follow.Does it work?
Sep-02-17  scholes: Rf6 is very hard to find
Sep-02-17  JohnBoy: I have always loved the play of Tarrasch. This is a fine example of his precision.
Sep-02-17  gofer:


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<ChessHigherCat>:

If you like 16 Nxf7+ so much, then beat <Crafty> playing it...

:-)

http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...

Sep-02-17
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  patzer2: Today's Saturday puzzle (15. ?) appeared here just over 13 years ago on Aug 29, 2004, when <Kevin86> posted <I remember the Queen sac, but was unable to follow it up! Very good mate-with both rooks and queen sacrificed...>

Though I analyzed the combination back in August 2004, today I too could only remember the first two moves (i.e. 15. Qxh6+!! Kxh6 16. Ne6+ +-) of the solution to this clever King Hunt before getting lost in the follow-up.

Stockfish 8 indicates it's mate-in-nine for White after 15.Qxh6+ Kxh6 15...Kxh6 16.Ne6+ Kh5

(16...Be3 17.Rf6+ Ng6 18.Bxe3+ Kh5 19.Ng7+ Kh4 20.g3+ Kh3 21.Bf1#)

17.Ndf4+ Kh6

(17...Kh4 18.g3#)

18.Ne2+ Be3

18...Kg6 19.Rf6+ Kxf6 20.Bg5+ Kg6 21.N2f4#;

18...Kh5 19.Rf5+ Bxf5 20.Ng3+ Kg4 21.Be2+ Nf3 22.Bxf3+ Kh4 23.Bg5#)

19.Bxe3+ Kh5 20.Rf5+ Bxf5 21.Ng3+ Kh4 22.Bg5+ Kg4 23.Be2+ Nf3 24.Bxf3#.

P.S.: For a Black improvement, instead of having Tarrasch play the game at a mere Rook odds (i.e. no Rook on a1,) perhaps Romberg should have insisted Tarrasch spot him both Rooks and the Queen. Of course Tarrasch did that anyway by the time he finished this pretty combination.

Sep-02-17  The Kings Domain: Nice puzzle and a memorable and instructive game. One of the most appealing queen sacs. The fact that the game was played at odds makes the win more admirable.
Sep-02-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Breunor: Moves like 19 Rf6! Are one of the reasons it is so great to be a chess fan, even for weakish players like me!
Sep-02-17  Altairvega: But, in the initial puzzle, Yes, there is a Rook in a1!?
Sep-02-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Altairvega: But, in the initial puzzle, Yes, there is a Rook in a1!?>

Games played at rook odds are begun without the queen's rook.

Sep-02-17  Altairvega: I agree but in my case at least, it appears the Queen's Rook in the puzzle's diagram . then I noticed there is no Rook in a1 in the diagram of the game. That a Rook appears in the diagram of the puzzle could affect somehow the solution options. Could'nt it?
Sep-03-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Richard Taylor: I played through most of Tarrasch's games (182 of them) so I had forgotten this one. It is very accurate. spent too much time on the Nf7+ option.

I did work out one very complex and beautiful combination by Tarrasch in that book played against a strong player. But it took me a lot of thinking time and concentration.

Tarrasch's games edited by Reinfeld and commented on by Reinfeld (using Tarrasch's notes) is worth studying. Many ideas he had were echoed by Lasker and later Fischer and others. The notes are very good. And it has to be taken into account how long ago they were written so errors occur but the ideas are good. He seemed to play all kinds of games. He rejected a match with Alekhine who was (at the time) not equal to Tarrasch. Later he was beated by Lasker.

I couldn't find the alternative lines with Ne6+ but I should have found some of them but this was very complex with so many possibilities which is strange considering it arose from an odds game.

A beautiful combination by Tarrasch.

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