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John William Schulten vs Pierre Charles Fournier de Saint-Amant
"Schult I alzo zacrifice my Queen?" (game of the day Jan-12-2022)
Paris (1842), Paris FRA
Sicilian Defense: Alapin Variation. General (B22)  ·  0-1

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May-18-05  Runemaster: White had a real death wish in this game, and his dream came true. In fact, apart from "suicide" chess, I can't think of another game between two serious players where a player managed to lose so many pieces so quickly.
May-18-05  Runemaster: After move 11, material is level. Then, in the next 9 moves, White manages to give away 4 minor pieces and 2 rooks - that's a piece every 1.5 moves. All at the cost of a single minor piece to his opponent.

May-18-05  halcyonteam: A dream not realistic
May-18-05  soberknight: The immortal suicide?
May-18-05  knightspot: two wins, thirty-three losses, one draw. guy just doesn't know when it's time to look for another pasttime.
May-18-05  soberknight: Just because you lose at chess doesn't mean it's a waste of time to play. The goal is to have fun, right? I assure you, if I played against Morphy, I would not have fared any better than Schulten, but so what?
May-18-05  knightspot: I stand rebuked, Sir Soberknight - and I may add that I would cringe if anyone actually posted MY win-loss record on cg.com
May-19-05  Runemaster: <soberknight: The immortal suicide?> LOL
Nov-30-06  syracrophy: Well I feel really good about this game. Now, when everybody shames on me because of my strange sacs, I'll have the satisfaction that there's a game where there are MORE nasty sacs! Now I can feel fine about my sacs and keep doing it! :-)
Feb-14-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Honza Cervenka: White went wrong with 10.e5. He probably missed or underestimated 11...Nh5. After that his play was pure desperation that failed.
Oct-17-07  nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33.

Schulten 9 mistakes:
6.Bd3 -0.21 (6.Bxf4 0.14)
9.0-0 0.10 (9.d5 0.51)
10.e5 -1.04 (10.Qb3 0.24)
11.dxe5 -2.23 (11.Bxe5 -0.96)
13.Ng5+ -4.99 (13.Be3 -2.78)
16.Qh5+ -5.98 (16.Rad1 -4.65)
18.Rd7 -10.93 (18.Rde1 -6.00)
19.Nf6+ -15.73 (19.Nxg5 -9.87)
20.Rxf6 -21.42 (20.exf6 -15.66)

De Saint Amant 3 mistakes:
5...Nf6 0.14 (5...g5 -0.34)
6...Be7 0.18 (6...d5 -0.21)
8...Nc6 0.51 (8...cxd4 0.12)

Jul-08-15  mikposeidon: Schulten in tilt
Dec-11-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  louispaulsen88888888: If they had a world champion back then, Saint Amant would have been it. Let us not be too harsh. They had no computers, few chess books, No Alpha Zero. They had to work it all out for themselves.
Dec-14-21
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  Teyss: After 21.exf6 Qd3 22.Qg4+ Qg6 White doesn't even have perpetual.
Jan-12-22
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  Phony Benoni: Well, that didn't work.
Jan-12-22  Brenin: Hope springs eternal in the human breast (Alexander Pope).
Jan-12-22  Honey Blend: Morphy's Law - Anything that can be sacrificed <must> be sacrificed.
Jan-12-22
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  Phony Benoni: <Brenin: Hope springs eternal in the human breast (Alexander Pope). >

Hope springs a leak (John William Schulten)

Jan-12-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Teyss: <Brenin> <Honey Blend> <Phony Benoni> LOL.
Apologies to our German friends about the pun.
White's plan was flawed since 10.e5: a good illustration of "sacrifice for a purpose". White raised the stakes, went all in and Black called his bluff.
Jan-12-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  igiene: "Krazy, Man, Krazy" (Bill Haley & His Komets)
Jan-12-22  Ironmanth: Keep on throwing everything at him, including hope. Haven't we all been there many times?! Y'all stay safe out there today, and play tons of good chess! C'mon Tata Steel!
Jan-12-22  paavoh: Everything and the kitchen sink... Repeating the same thing and excepting a different result?
Jan-12-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Hi Ironmanth,

<Keep on throwing everything at him, including hope.>

'noli desperare' Always have hope.

But after such a display of a wing and a prayer sacrifices white just gave up hope.

He had to play one more move.


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21.exf6 and if 21...Rad8 Logical, threatening Qd1+ and the Queens off, the games history has 1,000's, yes 1000's of worse moves.

22.Qg4+ is a perpetual.

Of course the chances of 21...Rad8 being played are practically nil. I found about 10 moves that stop the perpetual before I cameto my senses and stopped counting.

Jan-14-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Messiah: Terrible pun.

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