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George Henry Mackenzie vs James Mason
London (1882)
Philidor Defense: Exchange Variation (C41)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Oct-31-05  RookFile: Mason was a strong player. Just playing over the first 60 moves of this game, it has a real Steinitzian
feel to it.
Nov-08-05  Udit Narayan: Wow. In the final position, neither side can make any progress at all.
Feb-05-06  McCool: Should have drawn a while back.
Mar-27-06  Fast Gun: To Who, This has surely got to the record for the most consecutive number of queen moves in one game !! I made it a total of 81 moves, add that to the other 30 moves he made with the queen in the same game (111) this must surely be another record? Incidentally, Irving Chernev in The Chess Companion (on page 270) states that Mason made 144 consecutive moves with the queen, of course this is incorrect or probably a misprint, we know that the game lasted 144 moves, Chernev failed to point out the actual number of moves 81. Maybe he took this as fact without bothering to check up the validity of this statement?
Mar-27-06  Jonber: Move 71 to move 144 would be 73 consecutive queen moves, not 81, and amazingly it's apparently not a record anymore, though it was for more than 110 years. The game Rebickova - Voracova, Czech Republic 1995 supposedly ended with 74 checks by the Black queen.

Source: http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/records...

Jul-21-06  onesax: Seems to me to be a case of Black being unable to find the best square for his queen!

"No, over here! Wait, here is better ... no here!" ;)

Jan-22-07  Fast Gun: To Jonber, you are right it was 71 and not 81 as I had wrongly stated, though we are in agreement about the record for consecutive queen moves, until Rebickova - Voracova came along:
Jan-27-07  Pi Guy: In reference to Mason's quote: "Dont make a good move too soon.", was 33. f6 played too soon? It seemed like white had an edge until that point and was going to break through black's king's pawn cover, but white locked in the king with that move and his next move.
Jan-28-08  Arbitrarily0: Oddly enough, the only record that this game breaks, is the longest occupation of a square by a king. Black's king sat at g8 for 136 moves (it never moved once after castling).
Oct-24-08  just a kid: I bet Black's queen died of heat stroke after the game.
Jan-04-09  WhiteRook48: <just a kid> LOL! Probably did. After all who would want to make a lot of moves on a hot battlefield?
Jan-11-09  WhiteRook48: two king and queen records:
73 consecutive queen moves and
Most immobile king for 136 moves
Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: the Black king is so immobile
Jan-31-09  WhiteRook48: how does the game break only one record? I think this is record for most mobile queen.
Feb-07-09  WhiteRook48: a trapped bishop does not make any difference
Feb-14-09  WhiteRook48: Black's dark squared bishop is immobile for 134 moves- move 10 to move 144
Feb-23-09  WhiteRook48: wait, 73 consecutive queen moves record was broken in the 1990s. Never mind...
Feb-28-09  WhiteRook48: can anyone analyze 145. Bxd6?
Mar-06-09  WhiteRook48: Mason, how many times do you have to be told not to move your queen so much?
Nov-04-09  WhiteRook48: ( I mean 145 QE8 tryiing for 146 BxP)
Jul-29-11  Uhohspaghettio: onesax, Black had no other option than to move his Queen. Your comment is not funny or amusing in the slightest.

I feel some people are getting up on their horses a little early, saying it was an obvious draw much earlier. In fact despite looking more simple, Queen endings can be absurdly complicated ones and it is not a situation that anyone can take casually or that there are no breakthroughs possible with, such as with opposite-colour bishops. Furthermore, Queen endings are fairly rare and few people know their endgames that well.

Sep-17-15
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  dernier loup de T: After 145.Bxd6? Qxd6+ 146.Qxd6 Bxd6 147.Kd7 Bf4 is winning the endgame for Black.
Feb-05-19
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  Straclonoor: 71.Kb6? - wrong way followed by long queen moves.

Analysis by Stockfish 091218 64 POPCNT:

1. +- (#18): 71.Bf4 Qa4 72.Bxd6 Bxd6+ 73.Kxd6 Qb4+ 74.Kc6 Qf8 75.Qe3 Qc8+ 76.Kb5 a4 77.Qc5 Qb8+ 78.Kxa4 Qe8+ 79.Qc6 Kf8 80.Kb5 Qe3 81.Qc7 Qb3+ 82.Ka6 Qa2+ 83.Kb7 Qb3+ 84.Kc8 Qh3+ 85.Kd8 Kg8 86.Qe7 Qa3 87.Qxa3 Kh8 88.Qf8#

2. +- (6.50): 71.c5 dxc5 72.d6 Qe5 73.Bc3 Qf4 74.Qd5 Bxd6+ 75.Qxd6 Qxd6+ 76.Kxd6 a4 77.Kxc5 a3 78.Kc4 a2 79.Kb3 Kf8 80.Bb4+ Kg8 81.Kxa2 Kh8 82.Bc3 Kg8 83.Kb3 Kf8 84.Bb4+ Kg8 85.Kc4 Kh8 86.Kd4 Kg8 87.Ba3 Kh8 88.Kc5 Kg8 89.Kd6 Kh8 90.Bc1 Kg8 91.Kc7 Kh8 92.Kd7 Kg8 93.Ke8 Kh8 94.Ke7 Kg8 95.Bf4 Kh8 96.Be5 Kg8 97.Bd6 Kh8 98.Kd8 Kg8 99.Bc5 Kh8 100.Kc7 Kg8 101.Bb4 Kh8 102.Bc3 Kg8 103.Kd7 Kf8 104.Bb4+ Kg8 105.Ke7 Kh8 106.Bc3 Kg8 107.Ke8

Feb-05-19  rcs784: I wonder how on Earth Mackenzie managed to miss 71. Bf4, which just wins on the spot (c5 is harder to see, but Bf4 is pretty obvious), and instead allowed Black to set up a fortress? Was he in time pressure? What sort of clocks (if any) were they using back in 1882?
Feb-05-19
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  keypusher: <rcs784: I wonder how on Earth Mackenzie managed to miss 71. Bf4, which just wins on the spot (c5 is harder to see, but Bf4 is pretty obvious), and instead allowed Black to set up a fortress? Was he in time pressure? What sort of clocks (if any) were they using back in 1882?>

I wonder at amateurs who have presumably done all sorts of foolish things expressing shock at someone missing the possibility of a fortress in a complicated position.

It's pretty clear that Mackenzie decided at move 71 that he should round up Black's a-pawn. Getting rid of your opponent's outside passed pawn tends to be a good idea. I'm sure he thought he could always get the d-pawn later, or else play c4-c5 and advance his own d-pawn.

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