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Carl Hamppe vs Adolf Schwarz
"May the Schwarz Be With You" (game of the day May-19-2005)
Vienna (1873), Vienna AUH, Jan-24
Vienna Game: Hamppe-Meitner Variation (C25)  ·  0-1

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May-19-05  Zymurgy: I got the theme this week...it is funny puns.
May-19-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  cu8sfan: <WannaBe: So we blame this all on <cu8sfan>? :-)> Why? What have I done to deserve this?!
May-19-05  focoma: Who else thinks 9... d4+ would have been better? If not, why?
May-19-05  cuendillar: Well another pun option would be to pick a game with lots of tactics "may the forks be with you" :)
May-19-05  wgb: 11 ...Qb6+
May-19-05  aginis: Okay for everyone unfamiliar with current theory in the vienna game, 2...Bc5 is a mistake and 3.Na4! is the correct response. The key move is 7.Qe1 unfortunately neither white nor black were familiar with the variation (which was probably discovered after their time.)
May-19-05  ughaibu: Steinitz vs A Steinkuehler, 1874
May-19-05  Saph: I agree with <focoma>. 9...d4+ looks better.

Anyway, what the *bleep* was White's king thinking?

May-19-05  farrooj: very nice king hunt
May-19-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: SPACEBALLS had many funny names:Pizza the Hut,Dark Helmet,and of course, The Schwartz (may it be with you).

This game looked a lot like the famous draw-two things Hamppe is known for-THE DRAW and The Hamppe-Alligator [sic] gambit. Here,he goes astray and his king becomes meat.

May-19-05  YouRang: Lesson: When your king is on b3 by move 8, you've probably didn't handle the opening very well.
May-19-05  Shams: <sneaky> <I think the verdict is that 3.Na4 should draw with perfect play.> that is a very premature verdict to say the least. All the pieces still on the board, only one pawn and one piece developed for each side, and you're talking about the ultimate truth of the position? You might as well make the same claim about the position before white's first move.

After 3...d6 or 3...Be7 or 3...Bb6 or another non-sacrificial line, three results are possible and nobody has any idea what perfect play might yield.

May-19-05  white pawn: The fact that you didn't understand it <PaulLovric> is what makes it a GOOD pun.
May-19-05  ajile: Brutal.

lol

Maybe white should just give up the E pawn eh?

May-19-05  Ghengis Pawn III: I would call this one:

My Hamppe

BTW, this "I got here first, yay for me thing" has to stop

May-19-05  Ezzy: This is what will happen to Kramniks king if he continues to play like he has been playing!
May-19-05  themindset: i agree with <Shams> completely.
May-19-05  arielbekarov: What a King's stroll that actually is everything but a stroll. This is a nightmare's run !
Ariel
May-19-05  zabbura2002: I like 19. .. Qxb2
May-19-05  iron maiden: Concerning the pun, I just got back from seeing Episode III...man, what a disappointment.
Jun-07-05  patzer2: Playing this opening line of the Vienna as White is like walking through a land mine field. If you can avoid all the traps and trip wires, you just might survive with a win or a draw. However, one misstep can be disastrous.

In this case, I think White may have tripped up and missed a win by not playing 9. d4! An analysis with Fritz 8 gives the following winning possibility for White:

9. d4! Nc6 10. Nf3 Nf6 11. Bd3 Nxd4+ 12. Ka3 Qg4 13. Nxe5 Qxg2 14. c3 Nc6 15. Nxc6 bxc6 16. Nc5 O-O 17. Qf1 Bh3 18. Qxg2 Bxg2 19. Rg1 Bf3 20. Bg5 Ne4 21. Bh6 g6 22. Bxf8 Kxf8 23. Nd7+ Ke7 24. Ne5 Nc5 25. Bxg6 hxg6 26. Nxf3 .

Jun-07-05  patzer2: Black's 8...Be6!? was only played in this game. Perhaps that is because of the strength of White's potential 9. d4! reply.

Most often played here has been 8...Na6!? However, White has done well against it and may even have found a refutation after 9. a3! in M Wind vs T Winckelmann, 1993. Black's other recorded try was 8...Nc6!?, which worked OK for the second player in T Erben vs M Reichel, 1989.

So perhaps the rare try 8...Nc6!? is Black's best chance for a win in this line.

Jun-07-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: <Shams: <sneaky> <I think the verdict is that 3.Na4 should draw with perfect play.> that is a very premature verdict to say the least. All the pieces still on the board, only one pawn and one piece developed for each side, and you're talking about the ultimate truth of the position?> You're right Shams, but I am operating from the assumption that the game of chess is theoretically a draw, and that White can even afford to "waste a move" with Na4 or a3 or some other unstrategic move and still be OK, just like Black is OK. The critical line here therefore is the sacrifice: if it can be shown to win, then we know that 3.Na4 loses. But so far, everything seems to point to a draw.
Sep-12-07  Dr. J: Doesn't Black win easily with 11 ... Qb6+ winning (back) the Knight and remaining 2 pawns ahead with an overwhelming position?
Dec-12-07  zb2cr: <Dr. J>,

Your suggestion looks good.

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