City of Haarlem vs City of Rotterdam (1846) Haarlem Globetrotters

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City of Haarlem vs City of Rotterdam
"Haarlem Globetrotters" (game of the day Apr-26-2005)
City Match (1846) (correspondence), Postal
French Defense: Advance Variation (C02) · 1-0

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Apr-27-05		Abaduba: I have to agree with <Englishman>, 10 ... g6 is an inexplicable howler. Without that, I would favor Black's chances, since White's Bxc6 and a-pawn march leave his pieces undeveloped and only help Black pressure the queen-side. Overall, this game is pretty unimpressive.

Apr-27-05		An Englishman: Good Evening: Abaduba, I half-agree, half-disagree with you. I think White's play is very impressive (certainly not Rotterdam's). If you look at the Polugaevsky-Petrosian, Moscow 1961 game, you'll realize that Haarlem was playing a la the great Tigran 115 years before he did! I'd like to know who was on the Haarlem team, because they were way ahead of their time.

Apr-27-05		Saph: What happens after 30...Kg8?

Apr-27-05		tayer: <Saph> 30 ... ♔g8 31 e6

Apr-27-05		patzer2: After Black's second purposeless pawn move (16...f5? following 10...g6?), White claims decisive control of the d file with 17. Rfc1! Black cannot escape from White's resulting grip on the open file and the sixth and seventh ranks. White's winning technique is instructive. Black's best defensive possibility appears to be 10...c5! 11. 0-0 Rb8 12. dxc5 Bxc5=. Black's last chance to put up a credible defense appears to be 16...f6!?

Apr-27-05		Saph: Ooooh... thanks tayer! That opens up a can o' worms for Black, doesn't it.

Apr-27-05		prs: I think after 20... Kf7 instead of the text 20... Ng8 Black's position is, while worse, still playable.

Apr-27-05		backyard pawn: Perhaps Rotterdam would have fared better playing the Dutch instead of the French. Must have lost something in translation.

Apr-27-05		Insightful: Wouldn't 29.Rb8 win the queen for a rook?

Apr-27-05		backyard pawn: <Saph><tayer> I didn't see 31 e6, either, but Black's Bishop doesn't yet have to move since White's pawn is pinned to protect against back-rank mate. 31. e6 also limits White's Queen's mobility. Black does seem all tangled up after that, but I guess I'm having trouble working it out for White.

Apr-27-05		backyard pawn: <Insightful> Looks good, but 29....,Qxa5 wiggles out, I think, with White now having to guard against vulnerable back rank.

Apr-27-05		patzer2: <prs> After 20...Kf7, White wins with 21. Qg5!: 20... Kf7 21. Qg5! Rg8 22. Qf6+ Ke8 23. Rc1 f4 24. b4 Qd7 25. b5 axb5 26. a6 g5 (26... Bxa6 27. Nxe6 Bc8 28. Nc7+ Kd8 29. Qb6 g5 30. e6 Rg6 31. Nxd5+ Ke8 32. exd7+) 27. a7 Qxa7 28. Nxb5 Qb6 29. Nc7+ Kd7 30. Bf8 Rxf8 31. Qxf8 Qxc7 32. Rxc7+ Kxc7 33. Qxe7+ .

Apr-27-05		Timetraveller: <backyard pawn:> Actually, 31. e6 is quite convincing, since the black bishop is hanging due to White's threatened 32. Rxd7

Apr-27-05		EmperorAtahualpa: I think 31. ♖b8 would also have been a great move.

Apr-27-05		kevin86: It looks like black has his (their)pieces so tied up that the dike will soon collapse-and white's pieces will flood into his (their) house.

Apr-27-05		patzer2: <backyard pawn> After 30... Kg8 31. e6! Rxe6 32. Nxe6 Bxe6 33. Qe5 Bd7 34. Rb8 , Black should be ready to resign.

Apr-27-05		FischerFan124: how do two cities play against each other?

Apr-27-05		chessgames.com: <how do two cities play against each other?> Usually it's a correspondence game played between Chess Clubs of the respective cities.

Apr-27-05		aw1988: It seems Rotterdam got slam-dunked.

Apr-27-05		schnarre: <aw1988>Good point there! The only potential for 10...g6 is it being followed by ...Bg7, ...Ne7,..0-0 arriving at a modern setup (though I still prefer White here).

Apr-27-05		FischerFan124: thanks administrator guy

Apr-28-05		patzer2: After 17. Rfc1!, Black's best move according to Fritz 8 is 17...Bb4!?. However, even this move is not enough to save Black's game. One fun possibility: 17... Bb4!? 18. Rxc8+! Bxc8 19. Qd1 Ne7 20. Nf4! Bc5 21. Nfxe6 Bxd4 22. Nxd4 Qxb2 23. Rb1 Qa3 24. Qc2! Qxa5 25. Bg5! Qd8 26. Bxe7 Qxe7 27. Qxc8+ Qd8 28. Qe6+ Kf8 29. Rb7 Qe8 30. Qf6+ Kg8 31. Qg7#

Apr-28-05		schnarre: <patzer2> Like that analysis!

Apr-29-05		mirunik: 20.nf8 is a awfull move... more usefull in this position to change the night by the night (not bishop)... it could gave black the chance to fight for draw maby in the possible endgame, so the right move i think is 20...nc6!? 21.rc1 nxd4 22.qxd4 bd7 with plan -> ke7 .. rc8

Apr-29-05		schnarre: <mirunik> I'd probably reply with 21. Bg7 Rg8 22. Bf6 Nxd4 23. Qxd4 Bd7 instead: Black gets his Rook out, but I still prefer White's position!

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