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|Nov-20-15|| ||benjaminpugh: My first thought was "White resigns." He has two hanging pieces and is down a queen for a bishop, with no obvious mate. There are only 3 checks available, and for each the checking piece can be immediately captured. Then I saw, oh, this is Capablanca and the parting of the Red Sea became apparent upon Nxf6+.|
I was still curious as to how Capablanca got into that position, so I backed up to the queen sac. Curious, what about 18...d5 instead of 18...Rf7?
|Nov-20-15|| ||Labgrunt: Great puzzle. Am I missing something regarding the <chrisowen> posts? It just seems like jibberish...like it is some kind of code intended to confuse the prison guards?? <chrisowen>...What? Or maybe I should say, "Why?" Do you have a random word generator that just spews these phrases out?? Help me out, guy, because I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. thanks|
|Nov-20-15|| ||Benzol: Capablanca must have forseen the end when he played 17.Qxg6. What wonderful chess vision he possessed.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||kyg16: It's inhuman to combine like this|
|Nov-20-15|| ||BxChess: Several kibbitzers have commented that the queen sacrifice is flawed because of 18...d5. Capablanca is said to have said that sacrifice was `premature'. While 18...d5 might stave off immediate mate, I don't see that it saves the game. |
<CowardlyKnight> gives the line
19 exd5 Na5 as winning for black.
But 20 d6 Nxc4
21 dxe7 wins the queen and forks the rooks
22 exf8Q+ Rxf8 and white is a whole rook up
An alternative try is
19 exd5 Rd6
20 Rh3+ Kg8
21 dxc6+ Re6
22 Rd7 and it seems to me that black will lose the queen and remains in trouble.
Is there a better black response to 19 exd5?
|Nov-20-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Not the ideal starting move for a puzzle, since the first move is obvious.|
I saw that Nxd7+ is also winning for the second move, and stopped there.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Mfrankpsyd: And this was a game played in a simul!|
|Nov-20-15|| ||BOSTER: <BxChess: Is there a better black response>. |
After 17.Qxg6 hxg6 18.R6d3 Black'd play Qe6
click for larger view
Maybe Capablanca would win with queen majority.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Peligroso Patzer: For the record, the score for this game appearing in Caparrós, Rogelio, <The Games of José Raúl Capablanca> (Revised 2nd Edition), Chess Digest ©1994, at page 219 (Game no. 440), includes the following additional moves, which presumably were in fact played on the board: |
23. … Rxe8 24. Rxd7+ Kf8 25. Rxf7<+> [<sic>; should be “#”].
|Nov-20-15|| ||chancho: I said the same thing 8 years ago.
Capablanca vs S Campos, 1927 (kibitz #16)
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: And then there was Paul Morphy.
It's 9 minutes, but worth every
detail and proof of chess genius.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: Forgot to add sound delivers the
|Nov-20-15|| ||Jack Kerouac: The proof. Endgame. Sound again.
|Nov-20-15|| ||raphi45: Yes BxChess, 18. ... d5 does save the game. The best white can do is 19. Nxd5 (-3.97, 25ply). 19. exd5 puts him at -6.19 . This according to houdini 4.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||benjaminpugh: My suspicion with Chris Owen posts is he writes something in his native language, then runs it through a crappy English translator and posts it. If you wade through the gibberish, he makes a lot of sense chess-wise.|
|Nov-20-15|| ||bobbyperez: What a long game!|
|Nov-20-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi benjaminpugh,
8th April 2014. 2nd last post on page 2.
Tarrasch vs Kolb, 1894
A straight forward Chris Owen post without any code.
|Nov-20-15|| ||BxChess: Thanks <raphi45>. I've now run it through Rybka, who recommends 19...Bc8 in response to 19. exd5. This prevents 20. Rh3+ and leaves black with a substantial advantage.|
<Boster>: Rybka prefers 18...d5 to handing the queen back with 18...Qe6.
|Nov-20-15|| ||Whitehat1963: One of the most amazing forced mates I've ever seen. Is it forced from the queen sac to the end?|
|Nov-21-15|| ||al wazir: <Cybe: I think, that after 18… d5 White loses.> I think you're right. Too bad. I guess Capa and I will have to give back the gold coins.|
|Nov-21-15|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: BOSTER: 21.Nxf6+ Kf8 22.Rh8+ Ke7 23. I looked at Re8+ Rxe8 but didn't see Rxd7+(long distance moves sometimes invisible).|
So, I went with 23.Ng8+ double check, when no defensive moves, the king must move. This always give me more confidence.
Ke8(forced) 24.Nh6+ Rf8 25.Bxf7#.
<Eduardo Bermudez: How many moves can you (Capa) see in advance?>. One.
My opinion that he didn't count move after move.
He could see the final picture once.
About the game. Everybody has different feeling about a <beauty>.
Somebody likes 17.Qxg6!!
For me it was move 14.Rd6, blocking the black pos.
I am agree with you "He could see the final picture once" !!
|Nov-21-15|| ||atragon: Fatal mistake was 19 ... Qc5. According to engines Qe6 was at best for white. As it was said, 18 ... d5 wins for black... but Campos was not Stockfish.|
|Nov-22-15|| ||saturn2: I revisited this weeks puzzle to see if Capablanca's queen sacrifice was sound and without having read with attention the numerous post indicating it is not, I found myself 18....d5 followed possibly by 19. Nxd5 Rxd5 20 Bxd5 Rf7 and white gets only two exchanges plus a bishop for the queen, which is not enough.|
<AylerKupp: Reminds me of a joke:> Thats a good and subtle one. Only after second reading I realized that it is not only about Capablanca being a good player but ...
|Jan-02-16|| ||TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in São Paulo, Brazil on August 16, 1927.|
Capablanca scored + 21=2-0.
Source is <The Unknown Capablanca> by Brandreth and Hooper.
|Jun-07-19|| ||sneaky pete: This game was published in the November 1927 issue of Tijdschrift van den Nederlandschen Schaakbond. It ends with 23.Re8+! resigns. This was a simultaneous exhibition. After 23.Re8+ .. black had a couple of minutes to see the obvious mate in 2 after his only legal move, so resignation when Capablanca reappeared at his board is logical. The additional moves in The Unknown Capablanca are fake news.|
The anonymous annotator in Tijdschrift, almost certainly Euwe, preceded the engines some 90 years by pointing out that 18... d5! would have spoiled the fun, and questionmarking 19... Qc5
with the observation that an ugly looking move like ... Qe6 or ... Qd6 with the intention of returning the Queen would have been better.
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