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|Nov-16-07|| ||scholes: notyetagm would have a field day with 32 Qa8 . Amazing concept at 32nd move white queen is under threat from rook .Qa8+ removes the threat and forces the king to g7 square where it can be checked again ,and threatens the knight fork on Q and rook . Though knight fork is preventes by mating threat at f2 .
Baiscally moving queen to e4 square wins the piece though if Qe4
would have played earlier than Qa8 it would have resulted in nothing|
|Nov-16-07|| ||Eyal: Very nicely played by Shirov. Btw, until 16...Rc8 they were following - with some transposition of moves - a game played almost 60 years ago (Geller vs Suetin, 1950), where Shirov deviated by 17.Rec3, with the interesting idea of the exchange sac, instead of 17.Rd3.|
|Nov-16-07|| ||scholes: <pelligroso patzer> nice , you are correct .Its amazing how many things these gm calculate by pattern recognition , they obviously don't analyse like hey he move Nc6 so what should i make . But rather keeps count of threats and able to recognise these mating patterns 10 moves in advance othervise there would not have been forced combination in chess|
|Nov-16-07|| ||HOTDOG: however with 31...Bf6 and the Q vs R+B ending White's win is not so easy and Black can still put a strong resistance|
|Nov-16-07|| ||Eyal: <scholes: Baiscally moving queen to e4 square wins the piece though if Qe4 would have played earlier than Qa8 it would have resulted in nothing> Actually, 32.Qe4 first and then Qa8+ (if Black tries to save the piece by 32...g5 or Bg5) would have been just as effective...|
|Nov-16-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <scholes: <pelligroso patzer> nice, you are correct. *** >|
The idea, of course, is 33...♗xf2+ 34.♖xf2 ♖e6 with a skewer on the e-file, but with the h7-square occupied it doesn't work because of 35.♕f4 (or ♕f3) threatening mate on f8 ( ).
|Nov-16-07|| ||MATE101: Can someone please explain clearly why magnus gave up?
|Nov-16-07|| ||Ipecac: <MATE101> Either you protect the B and you canīt protect against mate, or you donīt protect B and you lose it, because the B cannot be used to defend in only one move.|
|Nov-16-07|| ||HOTDOG: Magnus is forced to sacrifice the bishop with 34...Bxf2+ 35.Rxf2 Rxf2 36.Kxf2 Qxb3 37.Qe5+ and White's material advantage is decisive.But i continue to not see a forced win for White after 31...Bf6!(instead of 31...Rf6?)32.Ng4 Re6 33.Rd7 Qc6 34.Rf7+! Kxf7 35.Ne5+ Rxe5 36.Qxc6 and if the position is won for White there's still a long way for victory.for example 36...Re1+ 37.Kh2 Bxb2 38.Qb7+ Re7 39.Qxb4 Bf6,and Black can organize a fortress with his pieces,and can protect his weak a6 pawn|
|Nov-16-07|| ||Eyal: <MATE101> Black is losing at least a piece here - he can't save the bishop on h4: 34...Bg5 35.Qe7+ Rf7 (35...Kh6 36.Ng4+ Kh5 37.Qxh7+ Kxg4 38.Qh3+ Kf4 39.Re2 and mate) 36.Qxg5; or 34...g5 35.Qe7+ Rf7 36.Nf5+ Kg6 37.Rd6+.|
|Nov-16-07|| ||randzo: Magnus played good game before the blunder but it was very hard to see|
|Nov-16-07|| ||dabearsrock1010: shirov is the master of the exchange sacrifice|
|Nov-16-07|| ||russep: What's wrong with 27...gxf5??|
|Nov-16-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Don't know exactly, but I bet it involves Qh5.
Read above and you'll see about five people were screaming for Nf5 before Shirov finally played it.
|Nov-16-07|| ||SickedChess: http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?...
and the end you can watch that the hot blonde is in red dress now! :)|
|Nov-16-07|| ||SickedChess: after the game Magnus seemed demoralized, "I played like a child!"|
|Nov-16-07|| ||ketchuplover: null???????????|
|Nov-17-07|| ||I3illieJoe: poor Magnus...i really hope he wins the tournament|
|Nov-17-07|| ||Eyal: <russep: What's wrong with 27...gxf5??> Simply 28.Rxd5, and Black can't save the rook on d6 (28...Rxd5 29.Qxd5+ with a quick mate; 28...Re6 29.Rd7+).|
Btw, a better idea for Black at an earlier stage of the game might have been 20...Qb6 instead of Qa5, and if 21.Bxd5 then 21...Qd4 winning the e5 pawn; whereas if White defends c6 by 21.Ba4 then 21...Qa5, and white doesn't seem to have anything better then retreating the bishop to b3 (22.Rc1 Bg5) - so Black either gains a tempo compared with the game or can go for a repetition of moves.
|Nov-17-07|| ||karik: From Henrik Carlsen's blog:
"... Magnus thought he found the right continuation and even felt quite confident after 25.h4 Qb6 26.Rd2.
He considered the probably drawing line Bxd4 but thought Rd6 was better as he had missed the blow Nf5! After having made his 26th move Magnus immediately spotted Nf5 and really suffered during Shirov's long think.
After 30.Ne3 Magnus could not see any direct threats and took on h4 with his bishop to recapture the lost pawn, but after Qf3+ Rf6 he is simply losing.
Maybe 31....Bf6 instead could have kept him alive but it was obviously a very dangerous position for black."
|Nov-17-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: An alternative to 13...Nd3 is 13..Nxb3 14 Nxb3 a5 playing for ...a4, ..a3 and the pawn sacrifice ..c5 as in the game ( but in a different position) Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1981|
|Nov-18-07|| ||Bobsterman3000: Wow, how about the fantastic 25. h4!!
Magnus didn't see the attack coming, but Shirov saw it very clearly. 25. h4!! takes away a future dark flight square for the white king, or if 25...bxh4? then Shirov counters with 26. Qg4!!
|Nov-18-07|| ||Red October: <I'm glad Carlsen plays the Open Ruy Lopez but I hope he looks at 9 ... Bc5 giving Black more active play than the dull 9 ... Be7. It would be great if he could champion the Black side of this opening.> The boy has taken to the Dark Side.. the Dark Side of the Ruy... good good very good.. there is hope for this boy....|
|Sep-03-08|| ||GrahamClayton: <HOTDOG: what about 31...Bf6 instead of Rf6? it seems better> <EYAL>after 32.Ng4 it also looks pretty hopeless for Black, e.g. 32...Re6 33.Rd7 Qc6 34.Rf7+!|
Or 32. ♔e7 33. ♕e4+ ♔e7 34. ♘f6+!, winning a pawn.
|Sep-17-10|| ||lefthandsketch: Check out analysis on this game and other Ruy lopez open games here http://greenpointchess.org/2010/09/...|
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