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Tigran V Petrosian vs Alexander Kotov
"Don't Take Your Kotov" (game of the day Dec-26-2016)
Training Match Tournament (1952), URS
Sicilian Defense: Delayed Alapin (B50)  ·  0-1



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Dec-26-16  ChessHigherCat: That's a good idea, on j4 the queen can promote to a hyperspace phantom and haunt the winner for all eternity
Dec-26-16  Isilimela: I think I would just entitle this game "Kot ov"!
Dec-26-16  newzild: Kibitzers are saying this was an awful game by Petrosian, but he simply miscalculated when playing 13. Nh4?

Note that 17. Qg3 fails to 17...f5 18. Qg4 Ne5, winning a pawn.

Dec-26-16  Abdel Irada: ∞

Apparently Petrosian was Kotov guard by Black's sacrifice on g4, although it looks as though he could have escaped with only slightly worse chances after 17. Ndf3, Nd4 (since on ...Na5 White's queen now has an escape square on f4) 18. cxd4, Bxa4 19. Bxa4, when White has three pieces for the queen — although he is still faced with the task of getting them into play before Black can exploit their incoordination.

Dec-26-16  Abdel Irada: ∞

<ChessHigherCat: That's a good idea, on j4 the queen can promote to a hyperspace phantom and haunt the winner for all eternity>

The problem is, 18. Qj4 opens the hyperspace option for both players, and Black can then reply 18. ... Q(letter-that-comes-before-a)10, at which point every piece becomes virtual and begins to pop in and out of existence on random points at random intervals until the end of time.

Probabilistically, this would be a bad thing for White because wherever his king is, he may be in check, and there is nowhere he can go for which this is not true, so in hyperspace terms 18. ... Q(letter-that-comes-before-a)10 is virtual mate.

(This is not to address the vexed question of what happens when, as is certain to happen sooner or later, a virtual piece pops up on the same square occupied by Petrosian's king.)

Dec-26-16  AlicesKnight: It looks like a Petrosian blind-spot, so focussed on the K-side and protecting the piece-gain. Perhaps most dramatic was his oversight and Q-loss in a totally dominant position - Petrosian vs Bronstein, 1956
Dec-26-16  lost in space: <<Isilimela:> I think I would just entitle this game "Kot ov“!>

Good one!

Dec-26-16  The Kings Domain: The young Petrosian gets caught.

I don't get the pun.

Dec-26-16  GlennOliver: "The Kings Domain:
I don't get the pun."

Don't Take Your Coatoff, i.e. Petrosian is not staying long.

The alternative move -
17. Ng2
- is fractionally better, but still utterly lost after - 17. ... Nd4

Dec-26-16  BobbieM: 16 Qa4, can anyone explain this move to me??
Dec-26-16  izimbra: <BobbieM: 16 Qa4, can anyone explain this move to me??>

W played a poor opening and got caught in some tactics. The problems with <12.g4> weren't that easy to spot. If they had been spotted, then <9.Qe2> was already a poor move. By the time of <16.Qa4> W is trying to save the loss of a piece after BxNh4. But it turned out that there isn't any good way to do that. It's a tactical hornet's nest. Stockfish thinks that <16.Qa4 Be8 17.Ng2 Nd4 18.cxd4 Bxa4 19.Bxa4> was probably W's best continuation...where Black is winning.

Dec-26-16  gars: Very precise remark, <Phony Benoni> !!
Dec-26-16  RandomVisitor: After 12...Bg6

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<-0.36/34 13.Kh1> h6 14.Ne1 Bd6 15.f3 Rad8 16.Ng2 Bh7 17.f4 Be7 18.e5 Nd7 19.Nf3 d4 20.c4 Rb8 21.Bd2 b5 22.b3 bxc4 23.bxc4 Rb2 24.Bc1 Rb7 25.Rb1 Rxb1 26.Bxb1 Rb8 27.Bc2 Kh8 28.Kh2 a6 29.Qd1 Nf8 30.Ba4 Kg8 31.Re1 Bg6

Dec-26-16  morfishine: Horrific game not worthy of "Game of the Day" status

Is this all this site is good for, making fun of someone's name, and having to use a sub-par game to do it?

Truly pathetic


Dec-26-16  RandomVisitor: After 8...Bh5

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<-0.19/36 9.g4 Bg6 10.Nh4 Qc7> 11.Qe2 d5 12.Ndf3 0-0 13.0-0 Nd7 14.Be3 Rad8 15.exd5 exd5 16.Nxg6 hxg6 17.Bb3 Nb6 18.Rae1 Rde8 19.Kh1 Bd6 20.Qd1 Nd8 21.Re2 Ne6 22.d4 c4 23.Bc2 Nd7 24.Rfe1 b5 25.Qb1 a6 26.Qd1 Qd8 27.Kg2 Nb6 28.Bd2 a5

Dec-26-16  RookFile: Spassky pointed out that Petrosian was a great tactician. In this game he wasn't quite ready. Later, things like this stopped happening in his games.

Fabulous pun, by the way.

Dec-26-16  jith1207: If the game is good, and pun is not good, criticism would be that puns should have some other place.

And, if the game is not good in critic's opinion, it is made out that the game is chosen to make use of a pun.

FEveryone'sI, Puns are submitted by fans here and the quality resembles the average fan. If someone wants a better pun, then the critic should work on it on here, as it becomes everyone's responsibility especially the one who always likes to dish out. If a better game in critic's opinion is not in place here always, may be the critic should run a website and see for oneself how difficult it is to match everyone's expectations All.The.Time.

For crying out loud, this website seems to be the one which is not commercially oriented and still they are doing all they could to make the viewers interested, most probably with limited resources. Last thing I would do would be to criticize them every sunrise and sunset. But that's just me.

Dec-26-16  john barleycorn: <blunderclap: <Abdel Irada> Thank you for your excellent analysis of the hyperspace variations that spring from 18.Qj4.>

yeah, the *good* scientist and *decent* mathematician tried his best to be lucid and funny while showing off as an idiot.

Dec-26-16  RandomVisitor: After 6...e6 white is in a cramped position and the order of unfolding the pieces becomes critical. Perhaps white should have tried the innovation Bf4 (0-0 or h3 might transpose) before Nbd2, as otherwise the bishop is blocked.

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<0.00/40 7.Bf4 Bh5 8.h3 a6 9.0-0 Be7 10.Nbd2> Nd7 11.a4 0-0 12.g4 Bg6 13.Bg3 h5 14.Nc4 Nb6 15.Ncd2 h4 16.Bh2 Nd7 17.Nc4 Nb6 18.Ne3 Nd7 19.Nc4

Dec-26-16  johngalt5579: looks like 14 Qg3 might be a save? what do you think?
Dec-26-16  RandomVisitor: <johngalt5579>After 15.Qg3 f4! 16.Qg4 Ne5 17.Qxe6+ Bf7 18.Qf5 Bxh4 19.Qxf4 g5 black is almost winning
Dec-26-16  ChessHigherCat: <jith1207: If someone wants a better pun, then the critic should work on it on here>

I agree, I'm baffled by all the vitriolic attacks on puns: "Let's stamp out every trace of levity and wit before the contagion spreads!" Some of the puns are hilarious and that kind of sideways imaginative thinking is a welcome complement to the extreme rigor and tension of chess. Or, to put it less pedantically, lighten up:-)

Dec-27-16  wtpy: Morfishine sometimes it can be instructive to see great players lose a minature though by definition they played that game poorly.
Dec-27-16  joe1137: Good pun.
Dec-30-16  Abdel Irada: ∞

Try to be patient with <morfishine>. I think when he was a child, in his most impressionable formative years, someone made a bad pun while dismantling him over the board, and he has yet to forgive the English language for allowing such an outrage.

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