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NN vs Adolf Schwarz
"Who Likes Short Schwarz?" (game of the day Mar-15-2014)
Chess Society (1873), Vienna, Jan-24
Vienna Game: Hamppe-Meitner Variation (C25)  ·  0-1

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Mar-15-14  Conrad93: What's wrong with 9...d4+?
Mar-15-14  SuperPatzer77: It is short Schwarz (Schwarz is a German word for Black) - Short "Black".

SuperPatzer77

Mar-15-14  MelvinDoucet: I thought this was the Immortal Draw Hamppe vs Meitner, 1872 at first.
Mar-15-14
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  al wazir: 23. Kb6 Qd8+ 24. Kc5 b6+ 25. Kxc6 Ne7+ 26. Kb7 Qb8#.
Mar-15-14
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  al wazir: And here Schwarz (black) beat Weiss (white): Max Weiss vs A Schwarz, 1880
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  Phony Benoni: Well, I strated this mess, but I wouldn't have if I had known about this game:

Hamppe vs A Schwarz, 1873

which appears to be nearly identical except that the mate is played out. I suppoes <Karpova>'s "C H" could be "Carl Hamppe", but this game obviously needs a bit more research.

This was a case where I found a game to fit the pun, but this one seems interesting enough. I liked the similarity to Hamppe - Meitner and 19...Qxb2.

Mar-15-14  SuperPatzer77: <al wazir: And here Schwarz (black) beat Weiss (white): Max Weiss vs A Schwarz, 1880>

Supercool!!!

SuperPatzer77

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  offramp: I am always always in the frame for a pun based on this greatest of all clothing songs.
Mar-15-14  morfishine: <offramp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOT...
Mar-15-14  weisyschwarz: <offramp>, this song...

Yifan Hou vs Short, 2008

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  offramp: Song lacks depth.
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  patzer2: <al wazir: 23. Kb6 Qd8+ 24. Kc5 b6+ 25. Kxc6 Ne7+ 26. Kb7 Qb8#.> If White deviates slightly, there's also 23. Kb6 Qd8+ 24. Kxb7 Rb8+ 25. Kxc6 (25. Ka6 Qb6#) 25...Ne7+ 26. Kc5 Qd5#.
Mar-15-14  morfishine: <offramp> But there's something about those old, grainy recordings

*****
A man called the Law Offices of Schwartz, Schwartz, Schwartz & Schwartz:

man: "I need to speak to Schwartz"

voice: "He's playing golf, won't be back til tomorrow"

man: "Ok, then give me Schwartz"

voice: "He's in court all week, won't be back til Friday"

man: "Ok, then give me Schwartz"

voice: "He's out of town, won't be back til Monday"

man: "Ok, then give me Schwartz"

voice: "Speaking"

*****

Mar-15-14  Ratt Boy: The pun actuary made me laff out LOL. Thanks.

The game's pretty entertaining, too. I would not play White's third move; or, if I did, I would scratch my name out of the scoresheet.

Mar-15-14  RedShield: Another lousy pun.
Mar-15-14  morfishine: <RedShield> They oughtta change the name of this segment to LOTD: Lame of The Day
Mar-15-14  morfishine: <RedShield> BTW: Did you submit 'Sinking of the Graf's Play'? That one should get through
Mar-15-14
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  Calli: Pun refers to the 1950s novelty hit "Shorts Shorts" by the Royal Teens who included Bob Gaudio, later of the Four Seasons. If you manage to persevere through their song, you'll see a "Killer" performance.
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  Calli: I forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlN...
Mar-15-14
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  playground player: <offramp> "What did Della wear, boy? She wore a brand new jersey!" Thank you, Perry Como.
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  kevin86: This one starts like the immortal draw, but bears off about move 8.

This time, black takes advantage of the exposed white king and wins.

Mar-15-14  thomastonk: The game is published in the March issue of "Deutsche Schachzeitung" 1873, (volume 28, page 83) as Carl Hamppe vs Adolf Schwarz, played on January 24, 1873. There it has the additional moves 23.♔b6 ♕d8+ 24.♔xb7 ♖b8+ 25.♔xc6 ♘e7+ 26.♔c5 ♕d5++.

Well, this looks like a possible primary source, but probably it is not. Other possibly primary sources are Lehner's "Oesterreichische Schachzeitung" 1873, volume 2, or Schwarz' chess column in the weekly "(Neue) Illustrirte (sic) Zeitung", volume 60. Does anybody have (one of) these sources?

Mar-15-14
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  FSR: Houdini says that 8...Be6?! is no good, and that 9.d4! gives White a large advantage.
Mar-16-14
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  Calli: Oesterreichische Schachzeitung" 1873, volume 2, page 120 gives the 22 move version as C.H. v. Adolph Schwarz, The exact date is not stated.
Mar-16-14  thomastonk: Thank you, <Calli>! It seems to me that "Oesterreichische Schachzeitung" is definitely a secondary source.

I've checked the months January-March of "Illustrirte Zeitung", volume 60 without success, and this is probably just the wrong weekly!

The "Oesterreichische Schachzeitung" of December 16, 1872 has: <"(,,Neue Illustrirte Zeitung.'') Am 15. Dezember wurde in Wien die erste Probenummer einer unter dem vorstehenden Titel neuerscheinenden grossen illustrirten Wochenschrift ausgegeben, die auch dem Schachwesen in der dafür eingeräumten Rubrik eine besondere Aufmerksamkeit zuzuwenden verspricht. Herr Adolf Schwarz, der jetzt in Wien weilende, frühere Schachredacteur der ,,Ungarischen Illustrirten Zeitung'', deren in Wien erscheinende Fortsetzung das neue Blatt gleichsam bildet, hat die Leitung der Schachartikel übernommen.">

In brief: the "Neue Illustrirte Zeitung" is a new weekly in Vienna, and Schwarz is leading its chess column.

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