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Hans Moke Niemann vs Magnus Carlsen
"Mokey Baer Says, Don't Feed the Fire" (game of the day Sep-21-2022)
Julius Baer Generation Cup (2022) (rapid), chess24.com INT, rd 6, Sep-19
Indian Game: Nomal Variation (A50)  ·  1-0

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Sep-21-22  tipareth: read an article about the world's most foremost cheat detector. former IM who is now a stats expert. He goes in and removes outliers from the data set etc. Per him zero evidence of Niemann cheating.
Sep-21-22  njgchess: I read it, too. His name is Ken Regan, and he explains his methodology pretty clearly. I believe him. While it might be sensible to suspect Niemann of cheating due to his past behavior, it is not sensible to convict him just based on suspicion. The chess world needs some way(s) to effectively prevent and/or detect cheating, but finger-pointing isn't one of them.
Sep-21-22
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  MissScarlett: Here's the article in question:

https://en.chessbase.com/post/is-ha...

Sep-21-22
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  Teyss: <MissScarlett: Here's the article in question> This is an extremely interesting article, not because it confirms what I believe (it might help a wee bit), but because it's articulated and deep: the conclusion is not essential, it's how he gets there. Especially worth thinking about in general, not only regarding Niemann:

"(...) many of the moves that matched the engine were in fact quite forced, and if you eliminated these forced moves from the analysis, then the overall number of moves that matched engine choices was quite normal." Should apply to any analysis: raw data is irrelevant.

"[he] perform[s] almost exactly as expected of him in terms of move accuracy, but his opponents are the ones who underperformed against him." Don't focus on a single aspect, look at the bigger picture. Seems obvious but we sometimes forget.

"So if you see a million things a day, then a miracle happens every day. And in online chess a million games per day is the norm." Don't jump to conclusions just because there's an apparently odd event. Statistically almost everything is possible.

Sep-21-22  Chessius the Messius: <Teyss>

Yes, again sorry for the confusion. The weird marks are only happening on Android input.

Sep-21-22  Refused: Magnus is really acting disgracefully here. Like a spoiled little brat. He has no evidence whatsoever, that Niemann cheated against him. If continues at this rate, he will be residing in some @#$%ty golf club in Florida by the end of the year, and claim he actually beat Niemann. Absolutely pathetic.
Sep-21-22
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  Gypsy: The body-language crowd is now offering its reading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJu...

Sep-21-22
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  whiteshark: <Magnus Carlsen on Hans Niemann (FULL INTERVIEW)> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c50... (8m:26s)
Sep-21-22
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  fredthebear: Thank you for the link whiteshark. I would have missed the interview otherwise.

Magnus' remarks were as expected. He's not discussing chess cheating or his own abortive actions, but he's willing to discuss this tournament since he's doing quite well. It's good to hear from the champ, but there were no revelations.

Sep-21-22
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  FSR: The amazing thing is that just 15 days before, Magnus as White had played the exact same moves against Niemann, yet lost in 57 moves! Carlsen vs Niemann, 2022. He must have realized that Black's game is not hopeless.
Sep-21-22  EvanTheTerrible: The lack of brevity in the title is counterbalanced by the number of references.
Sep-22-22
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  harrylime: I did not realise Hans was this good . Gotta say . Like .Loike. Loike.
Sep-22-22  Chessius the Messius: Had to abort the interview after almost 3 minutes of butt kissing and hearing how godly Magnus is from himself.

Wow

Sep-22-22
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  harrylime:

<<MissScarlett: <Niemann's results from the first three games of the Sinquefield Cup are suspicious based on the numerous factors widely discussed.> Discuss them again. Niemann beat Carlsen (Carlsen vs Niemann, 2022) in Miami and Aronian on two other occasions (including yesterday, Niemann vs Aronian, 2022). Are these wins suspicious, too?>>

Niemann fooked up a few times in the endgame against Magnus ..

But Magnus played garbage moves on a roll ... garbage move after garbage move ..

even then he still had drawing chances ...

Hans Moke Nieman 1 v 0 Carlsen's EGO

Sep-22-22
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  harrylime:

<<Chessius the Messius: Had to abort the interview after almost 3 minutes of butt kissing and hearing how godly Magnus is from himself. Wow>>

lol lol lol

SAINT MAG OF THE FJORDS

I've been puking for a while now at the sycophancy re Carlsen in the modern chess world.

Sep-22-22
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  harrylime:

Nice HEAD LINE here BTW Chessgames !

On the MONET as ever .

( He's my fave artist)

Sep-22-22
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  perfidious: <FSR....(Carlsen) must have realized that Black's game is not hopeless.>

He may well have had a sesh with Adorjan, concluding:

<Black is OK!>

Sep-22-22
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  Check It Out: Han Solo
Sep-22-22  sakredkow: Whatever else you might think of Carlsen's behaviors, it's nowhere near Fischer's worse days.
Sep-22-22
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  FSR: <sakredkow: Whatever else you might think of Carlsen's behaviors, it's nowhere near Fischer's worse days.>

Give Carlsen time. He's still young.

Sep-23-22  Chessius the Messius: At least Fischer had the FBI against him, he was not a golden posterboy of every possible corporate cheat.
Sep-23-22  jerseybob: This is something Kafka would understand: an accusation, with no proof, becomes a conviction. Not even an accusation really, something you could lay your hands on and deny, but a sleazy, slippery hint. If you've got proof Magnus, let's see it, and I'll retract the above.
Sep-23-22  stone free or die: <jerseybob> - I'm willing to wait till the end of the knockout, when he's promised to make an additional statement.

But, as Caruana said, Carlsen could have taken any evidence and/or suspicions through the recommended private channels, instead of going to "the street".

Sep-24-22  jerseybob: <MissScarlett: Here's the article in question: chessbase.com/post> I tuned in to the Ken Regan interview intending to watch just a few minutes but stayed the full 55; it was engrossing. Good info from Regan and a nice job by the interviewer, a strong player himself. With his Franz Liszt hair and Dracula scowl, Hans Niemann makes a good villain, a real cartoonist's delight, but is he a cheater? I.M. Ken Regan thinks not.
Sep-29-22
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  Gypsy: An assessment by The Behavior Panel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4r...

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