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| Sep-05-04 | | RisingChamp: Everett the full name was just given as an explanation to someone who had pointed out that it wasnt a gambit since black usually gets his pawn back.The variation u mean is Fajarowicz variation.Mohrs games often result in absolute carnage on the board as an example check this position 1.d4 Nf6 2 C4 e5 3dxe ng4 4 Bf4 Nc6 5 Nf3 Bb4+ 6 Nbd2 f6 7 e3 g5 8 Bg3 h5 followed by absolute chaos.Mohr has won a couple of games with this insanely complicated variation.I am quite sure no one would really feel comfortable facing all this! |
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| Dec-19-04 | | erasmus: looking at the stats in this database the Budapest (A52) has been played 150 times the last 10 years with white winning 44%, black 26%, and 28% draws. |
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| Jan-13-05 | | rleder: My friend and I are playing a game that opened with this (I'm white). I hear it has a reputation for being "tricky", but I'm not sure why. I wasn't familiar with it at all, but I think I played the opening well: 1. d4 Ng8f6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Nf6g4 4. Ng1f3 Nb8c6 5. Bc1f4 Bf8b4 6. Nb1d2 Qd8e7 7. e3 Ng4xe5 8. Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 9. Bf1e2 Bb4xd2 10. Qd1xd2. Without knowing what I was doing, it turns out I played the Rubinstein Variation (with the slight difference of Be2 instead of e3, which looks stronger to me anyway). I'm a mediocre player who falls into his share of perilous traps, but I sure didn't see any here. My friend is a stronger player, and will likely overpower me in the midgame (we're only on move 12), but I'll take this opening as white any time. Apparantly in the Main Line, I could have even kept the pawn... |
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Jan-14-05
 | | tpstar: <rleder> The Budapest Gambit is playable yet trappy, so both sides must stay on their toes for sharp tactics like this = Takacz vs J Krejcik, 1920 or this = Arnold vs M L Hanauer, 1936 or this = U Zak vs J Mieses, 1944 See how these miniatures feature attack on f2, often using the e1-h4 diagonal. With best play, White should retain a slight advantage out of the opening, but beware these stock traps to avoid an early loss. P.S. Your notation would be cleaner like this = 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bf4 Bb4+ 6. Nbd2 Qe7 7. e3 Ngxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. Be2 Bxd2+ 10. Qxd2. |
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| Jan-14-05 | | rleder: <tpstar>thanks, I will definitely go through those games tomorrow. I copied the notation from a chessgames.com PGN, I really should have cleaned it up before posting. |
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| Jan-14-05 | | euripides: <rleder> your play looks absolutely fine, with one possible exception; there is something to be said for playing Bf4 before you play Nf3. with your move order Black can play Bb4+ before you've got the bishop out, causing some difficulty. Another good line is 4 e3 fillowed by 5Nh3, aiming to control d5. |
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| Jan-14-05 | | Poisonpawns: Vallejo-Pons vs Romero Holmes, 2002
This is one of the best Budapest games i ever saw, and it is the example i use when playing against it using the white pieces, a true masterpiece. |
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| Feb-03-05 | | akashic: Hello I have been answering the Budapest Gambit with 4. e6 and have had great results with it. Black no longer gets the counterplay he gets in the other lines. Either loses castling priveledges or weakens his kingside, and leaves a badly placed at knight at g4. |
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| Feb-04-05 | | RisingChamp: Hello Akashic are you really a Canadian GM with 2680 ELO? I was unaware that any Canadian had a 2680 ELO,especially in the 1980s when that would mean you were world no 3.Anyway dxe6 is an equal endgame after the queen exchange though of course this is unpleasant for a Budapest player.fxe6 is actually the correct move and good for black, 4 e6 is an old line recommended by Tarrasch,but it really isnt all that good.The best challenge to the Budapast is I.M.O the Rubinstien variation. |
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| May-18-05 | | niemzo: I disagree. After 4.e6 the correct move is Bb4+ and then if Nd2 the queen exchange is not possible and if Nc3 then u get to double his pawns before going to the endgame. |
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| May-18-05 | | themindset: Nc3 is more agressive and exciting. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | ongyj: Actually I find 4.Nf3 more comfortable than 4.Bf4. With 4.Bf4 White granted Black a possible wild continuation, 4...g5!? With 4.Nf3 Black has no such luxury. 4...Bb4+ 5.Nbd2 is perfectly fine. White will probably form a counter attack with 6.a3 gaining Queenside attacking space if the Bishop retreats, or ...Bxd2 keeping double Bishops(No obsession intended!) As for the latter point I think both <RisingChamp>'s ...dxe6 and/or <niemzo>'s ...Bb4+ are correct. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | ughaibu: Ongyj: against 4.Nf3 black seems to do best with Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 etc, as black wins back the pawn I dont see any reason to conclude the Budapest is any worse than "normal" replies to 1.d4 Here is an interesting game illustrating a different approach by black: G Borisenko vs Y Shaposhnikov, 1954 |
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| Jul-16-05 | | jahhaj: <ongyj> After 4.♘f3 the recommended move is 4...♗c5 which forces White to play 5.e3 shutting in his black squared bishop. Fine for White but I've had such success with the Rubinstein variation (80% or so) that I always go for it. I've never faced 4.♗f4 g5 but it just looks grossly weakening and it also tells you exactly what sort of player you are facing so you can adjust your game accordingly. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | ughaibu: Jahhaj: dont be too sure, Korchnoi vs Yuchtman, 1959. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | jahhaj: <ughaibu> I don't think Korchnoi followed my advice about adjusting your game accordingly. I wouldn't try mixing it against a player of 4...g5 if I could help it. In any case I prefer the look of the 5.♗d2 line, but both moves score highly according to the opening explorer. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | ughaibu: Chessbase gives 7-5 in white's favour with 3 draws in the 5.Bd2 line, still sounds a reasonable result for black in my view. |
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| Jul-20-05 | | ongyj: <ughaibu>, <jahhaj> thanks for the replies which certainly were good stuff for me to learn:) |
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| Oct-18-05 | | Madman99X: Here's a trap I discovered. Let the white player beware. 1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e5
3. dxe5 Ng4
4. Bf4 Nc6
5. Nf3 Bb4+
6. Nbd2 Qe7
7. a3 Ngxe5
8. axb4???? Nd3#
There seem to be many traps in the Budapest. I avoid it like the plague. |
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| Apr-08-06 | | niemzo: This is a classic.<jahhaj>Which one is the Rubinstein? |
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| May-21-06 | | hamworld: I love the Budapest gambit. However, I have difficulty with this line, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. Bf4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bb4+ 6. Nc3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 Qe7 8. Qd5 Qa3 9. Rc1 Ne7 10. Qd2 Ng6 11. h3 as black. What shold I do? I'd appreciate the advice. Thank you for answering. |
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| Aug-02-06 | | NateDawg: <hamworld> I would try 8...f6. Then Black gets a fairly good game after 9. exf6 ♘xf6 10. ♕d3 d6 11. e3 ♘e4 12. ♘d4 0-0 13. ♗e2 ♘c5 14. ♕d1 ♘e5 15. 0-0.
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| Aug-02-06 | | Hannibal: I agree with 8...f6, so you really lose a pawn. But, on the other hand you have open f file and greats posibilities for a kingside attack. In a database, position stats after 8...f6 is : White 30%
Black 42%
Draw 28% |
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| Sep-28-06 | | ongyj: Actually I dare not play 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 because of the budapest. My personal assessment is that Black can choose the type of game he wants and White can't refuse the immediate capture of 2...e5 3.dxe5 or face an inferior position. That's why I always go with 2.Nf3 first, rather facing Queen Indian defence and stuff like that. And I don't understand how so many players claim their clear-cut way of crashing this defence as white. If you would please show me any line that in your opinion is overwhelming advantageous for White. My experience with it is that I always get stuck and left with nothing to do in the position as White. Maybe when I'm black I'll consider using it to bore my opponent to death with the standard non-risk taking lines...:) |
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| Sep-28-06 | | positionalgenius: <syracrophy>Uses this alot. |
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