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| Jul-17-05 | | bhu1357: As a pirc player, I sometimes get moves where white attacks the fianchettoed bishop on g7 and forces a trade that puts his queen on h6. In this case, what is the best way for black to proceed in order to avoid a large kingside attack? Thanks for any opinions or thoughts. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | ArturoRivera: isnt it funny that in al three game in which blavck wins and are marked as relevant by this page, Mikhail TaL Played either black or white? |
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| Jul-17-05 | | aw1988: Close, 2/3. Tan is not Tal. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | aw1988: <bhu1357> It depends, but in the majority of cases an appropriate and timely counterstrike in the center is crucial. However, I will not be dogmatic and say this works with every possible attack. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | bhu1357: Thanks for the reply, aw1988. I play the KIA with white, so I'm used to getting good kingside attacks. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | Kings Indian: I love the Pirc, i play it all the time against 1.e4 and i dont think i have lost more than 3 USCF rated games with it. I've only been playing rated games for about 3 months though. What do you guys play against the pirc? I usually play the 150 attack |
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| Aug-18-05 | | OneBadDog: Here's another opening that seems to have been abandoned by the top-GMs. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | Kings Indian: <OneBadDog> yea, but it's not a bad opening |
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| Aug-18-05 | | OneBadDog: You're right, but it seems like the Pirc, the KID, the Gruenfeld, the Modern Benoni and the Benko Gambit have all vanished from tournaments like Linares and Corus. It's a very sad situation. |
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Aug-18-05
 | | WannaBe: I still use this to complement my usage of the Sicilian. What is the 150 attack? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | wkargel: The "150" or "Caveman" Attack is but one of many systems White can try against the Pirc Defense. The initial move sequence is 1. e4 d6 d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. Be3 ...it is a simple, yet aggressive system to employ...the plan for White is to develop Be3, Qd2,f3 and Castle Queenside, and then launch a violent Kingside attack with moves like h5 and Bh6. However, if the Black player knows what he is doing, he can survive the attack and even maintain equality. Regards,
Bill
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| Aug-23-05 | | Kings Indian: Before white plays Be3 and Qd2 you should play a3 to prevent the black knight from coming to g4 and chasing the bishop away from the diagonal. |
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| Aug-23-05 | | Kings Indian: oops i meant h3 |
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Aug-23-05
| | WannaBe: <wkargel & Kings Indian> Thanks, I have seen this formation & often had trouble fighting it off. Didn't know it was called "150 or caveman". Thank you for the info. :-) |
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| Sep-21-05 | | azaris: Tired of facing the Pirc? Here's a battering ram approach to it: 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. h4 Bg7 5. h5 Nxh5 6. g4 Nf6 7. g5 Nfd7 8.
Be3
Any opening where you play h4 on the fourth move can't be bad. |
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| Nov-01-05 | | Dim Weasel: <azaris> You mean like this... N Vlassov vs V Saveljev, 2001
Looks pretty sharp and certainly needs preparation to face that as Black. Thanks for pointing it out. |
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| Nov-01-05 | | azaris: <Dim Weasel> Yeah, except that Black went wrong in several places and could have mustered up a better defense. But I suppose that's to be expected when playing an in-your-face line. |
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| Mar-19-06 | | LluviaSean: Wait, wait, wait...I heard someone say that the whole Pirc Defense has been refuted. |
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| Mar-26-06 | | blingice: Behold: the Lion's Jaw! Frank Sala vs Pim Hoff, 2001 |
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Jul-06-06
 | | Joshka: Any Pirc experts out there? Been reading up on the "Pirc Alert" by Lev Alburt, and he claims in the line 1.e4 d6 2.d4 g6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bg7 5.f4..he says ...c5 doesn't work cause of 6.e5!...well I can't find one game in this database that shows how black gets swallowed up after 6. e5?! what would some of you Pirc players play on your move 6 after 5...c5?....to me when one says something doesn't work, well prove it with lines!...thanks in advance |
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Jul-07-06
 | | keypusher: <Joshka> my little repertoire book, <An Opening Repertoire for Black> (see my game collections) also says 5...c5 doesn't work but also doesn't say why. So I looked at the position (with Fritz) briefly this morning and came up with the following: 6. e5 cd? 7. exf6 exf6 8. Qxd4 wins.
6...Nfd7 7. de 
6...dxe5 7. dxe5 Qxd1+? 8. Rxd1 Nfd7 9. Nd5 wins.
6...dxe5 7. dxe5 Nfd7 doesn't seem to be a forced loss, but looks very unpleasant for Black after 8. Qd2 0-0 9. 0-0-0. |
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Jul-11-06
| | Joshka: <keypusher> thanks for the reply, Fritz 8 gives 6.ec5 as even better than 6.e5!?...also the line I gave is not correct, just transposed. It should be 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg5 Bg7 5.f4 and now c5. Alburt also claims that even 4...Bg7 should be discarded in favor of just the plain 4...h6. Anyway interesting book, thanks again for helping! |
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| Aug-13-06 | | TheKid: Any good gambit lines against the Pirc, aside from those with an early h4? |
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Aug-14-06
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: TheKid, you don't need to gambit a thing against the Pirc. Here are some systems where White can whip up an attack: 1.e4,d6; 2.d4,Nf6; 3.Nc3,g6; 4.Bc4
1.e4,d6; 2.d4,Nf6; 3.Nc3,g6; 4.Be3
1.e4,d6; 2.d4,Nf6; 3.Nc3,g6; 4.g4?!
1.e4,d6; 2.d4,Nf6; 3.Nc3,g6; 4.f4 (the Austrian)
Note that Black can equalize in all of them. This does not mean they're bad variations! If you like extremely aggressive play, you will probably fare much better in real life than theory says you should. Have fun. |
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| Aug-30-06 | | FICSwoodpusher: What is the best way to play against the white setup of e4 d4 Nc3 Be3 Qd2 f3 etc? I am interested in the variations where black will play e5 at some point. However I noticed that in the games in the database black usually has to contend with opening his own kingside while whites king is safe on the queenside, I do not like this idea. The problem for black is that there is no other way to counter whites pawn storm in the centre other than f5. That is how can black attack the white centre with a move such as c6. There is no option to open the c file with this move, only to close it with c5 which suits whites pawn advance on the wing. Any suggestions? |
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