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Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4 (B21)
1 e4 c5 2 f4

Number of games in database: 5655
Years covered: 1620 to 2025
Overall record:
   White wins 34.9%
   Black wins 42.1%
   Draws 22.9%

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PRACTITIONERS
With the White Pieces With the Black Pieces
Lawrence Day  66 games
Mark Hebden  65 games
Julian Hodgson  45 games
Saumchurn Guttack  27 games
Howard Staunton  16 games
La Bourdonnais  14 games
NOTABLE GAMES [what is this?]
White Wins Black Wins
R Krogius vs A Ojanen, 1944
Morphy vs J L Preti, 1858
D Zardus vs A Steventon, 1986
Dutch vs J N Sugden, 1964
B Lyubimov vs Alekhine, 1908
S Khavsky vs Korchnoi, 1950
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 page 1 of 227; games 1-25 of 5,655 
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. NN vs Greco 0-1361620Miscellaneous gameB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
2. Greco vs NN 1-0211620Miscellaneous gameB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
3. G Atwood vs Philidor 1-0401794CasualB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
4. G Atwood vs Philidor 0-1401794Philidor Blindfold simul, 3b LondonB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
5. J Wilson vs G Atwood 0-1311796CasualB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
6. W Lewis vs J Wilson 1-0421819Lewis vs. WilsonB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. W Lewis vs J Wilson 1-0411819Lewis vs. WilsonB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
8. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1481834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 5th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
9. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1251834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 5th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1531834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 5th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
11. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 1-0481834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 6th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
12. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 1-0591834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 6th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
13. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1291834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 1st Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
14. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1441834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 2nd Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
15. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1351834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 1st Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
16. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 1-0511834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 2nd Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
17. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1251834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 1st Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
18. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 0-1551834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 2nd Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
19. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais ½-½811834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 1st Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
20. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 1-0461834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 1st Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
21. McDonnell vs La Bourdonnais 1-0391834La Bourdonnais - McDonnell 5th Casual MatchB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
22. A von der Goltz vs von der Lasa  0-1181837Berlin Casual GamesB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Cambridge vs Nottingham City 0-1341837Correspondence mB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
24. A von der Goltz vs von der Lasa  0-1351837Berlin Casual GamesB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
25. Gruenbaum vs von der Lasa  0-1411837von der Lasa - Gruenbaum Casual SeriesB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
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Sep-15-05
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  WannaBe: <soughzin> You mean you were black? and your 2. ... cxd4? And then you were trying to protect that black pawn on d4? You will lose that black pawn on d4. Trying to protect it is pointless.

On the other hand, if you were playing white, check out Alex Lenderman he likes to 2. d4 a lot. And I use it once in a while, 2. f4 once in a blue moon.

Nov-20-05  Averageguy: The Smith Morra Gambit is different from other gambits in that White aims to retain his gambited Pawn in a position where his more active pieces will give him/her the advantage.
Nov-20-05  Averageguy: BTW, some people have said that the Morra Gambit is refuted. Is this true?
Nov-20-05  Averageguy: Is this opening effective against <1600 rated players? When I used to live in England I had tremenduous success with this gambit, everytime my opponents accepted it I won apart from once (and even in that game I was up an exchange, then blundered). Since moving to Scotland, I have not played against the Sicilian once, apart from two or three casual games.
Nov-20-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheAlchemist: <Averageguy> I don't think it's refuted, my guess is that it's more like Black can equalize more comfortably (by giving the pawn back at the appropriate time) than in the 2.Nf3 lines.
Nov-20-05  suenteus po 147: <Averageguy> I haven't heard of a refutation of the Smith-Morra Gambit, but there are some pretty cool ways of combating it as black. Here is my favorite, the "Evans Defense:" K Smith vs Larry Evans, 1972
Nov-27-05  refutor: question about the soundness of a gambit in the Grand Prix attack today i had black and after

1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Qd8 6.Bc4 e6 7.b3 Bd6 8.O-O Bxf4

White thought his gambit was good. i thought it was a free pawn. any opinions?

Nov-27-05  KingG: <refutor> I also think it's a free pawn. But what kind of move is 7.b3 ?
Nov-27-05  refutor: a terrible one...his idea was to open up the center and have the fianchettoed bishop and the bishop on c4 coming at the king
Nov-27-05  KingG: In general, i wouldn't play Bc4 and try to play b3, Bb2. The bishop on c4 could become very uncomfortable.

Maybe in different circumstances his gambit would work. As a king's gambit player, i'm not averse to sacrificing the f4 pawn. :-)

Jan-16-06  blingice: Considering 2. ♙d4..cxd4 3. ♙c3..dxc3 4. ♘xc3 like from A Zaitsev vs Y Sakharov, 1968, I wouldn't see a real benefit. Yes, you have original control of the center, but it is unstable, and Black has a good chance of snatching it back, and you start a ♙ down. Where does the benefit come from in this opening?
Jan-16-06  Akavall: What I hate about Sicilian is that there are not cool Gambits against it. Morra Gambit, I don't like at all, if black knows what they are doing (which is often the case) white has nothing. Wing Gambit seems a little bit better, because in order for black to know what they are doing, they would have do more studying, IMO. And the position is more of type, maybe ;). However, black is objectively fine here.
Jan-16-06  bob000: Does black really have enough compensation after 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 Nf6? It seems to me that if white is not uncomfortable defending back may just find himself a pawn down. Having said that can white hope for advantage with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 not d5. If so how?
Feb-09-06  sirduke: I play the 2...d5 line exclusively against the f4 attack and have done quite well with it. Here is an example from a game of mine:

1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 Nf6 4.c4 (to support the d5 pawn? I don't know why so many people play this. Better was Bb5+) e6 5.dxe6 Bxe6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be2 Be7 8.O-O O-O 9.Nc3 and the game is equal. The suggested move here is 9...Qd7, but I played 9...Nd4 hoping for 10.Nxd4 cxd4 11.Nd5 Nxd5 12.cxd5 Bxd5 with a slight black advantage. Instead my opponent played 10.Ng5? (d3 would have kept equality) which allowed 10...Nxe2 11.Qxe2 Qd4+ 12.Qe3 Bxc4 and white resigned soon after.

Mar-31-06  southpawjinx: Knudson,D (1130) - Watson,R (886) [B21]
HB Global Chess Challenge U1400 (8), 22.05.2005
1.e4 c5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 e6 4.Bc4 g6 5.d4 cxd4 6.Nxd4 Bg7 7.e5 d5 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.0-0 Nge7 10.Nc3 a6 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd3 Nf5 13.Bxf5 exf5 14.Be3 0-0 15.Na4 Rb8 16.b3 Qh4 17.Nc5 Rfd8 18.Nxa6 Ra8 19.Nc5 Qh5 20.Rf3 Qh4 21.Nb7 Rdc8 22.Rh3 Qe7 23.a4 Qb4 24.Nc5 Be6 25.Qe2 Bf8 26.Qf2 Ra5 27.Nxe6 fxe6 28.Bd2 Qc5 29.Be3 Qe7 30.c3 c5 31.Qb2 Rb8 32.Bf2 Qb7 33.Be1 Qxb3 34.Qxb3 Rxb3 35.c4 Rxh3 36.Bxa5 Rd3 37.cxd5 Rxd5 38.Bb6 c4 39.a5 c3 40.Be3 c2 41.Rc1 Rd1+ 42.Kf2 Rxc1 43.Bxc1 Bc5+ 44.Ke2 Kf7 45.Kd3 Ke7 46.Kxc2 Kd7 47.Kb3 Kc6 48.Kc4 Ba7 49.Bb2 h6 50.Bd4 Bxd4 51.Kxd4 Kb5 52.a6 Kxa6 53.Kc5 g5 54.fxg5 hxg5 55.Kd6 f4 56.Kxe6 g4 57.Kf5 f3 58.gxf3 gxf3 59.e6 f2 60.e7 f1Q+ 61.Ke6 Qh3+ 62.Kd6 Qd3+ 63.Ke6 Qe4+ 64.Kd7 Qf5+ 65.Kd8 Qd5+ 66.Ke8 Kb7 67.Kf8 Qf5+ 68.Ke8 Kc7 69.h4 Qe6 70.h5 Qg8# 0-1

Too bad this tournament is no longer running. The HB foundation lost $500,000 in running it. The only thing outside of the tournament that I did not get a chance to do is to see the Mall of America. I have just been informed that they put a tram system that will take you from the convention center to the mall. If someone were to run another tournament there, this would make the experience more pleasurable.

Apr-23-06  TheKid: After 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.Nf3, does this transpose into anything?

White just declines the pawn and develops.

Is this any good?

Apr-23-06  ganstaman: I used to play that, or at least similar lines. 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Bc4.

This leads to either a normal open Sicilian after an eventual Nxd4, or a delayed Smith-Morra after an eventual c3 (though I find they are much less likely to take the pawn in this delayed variation). I don't know if this really has any merits of it's own as it is so likely to transpose into something normal (why would you want to leave black's new d-pawn on d4 forever?), but I do like playing with the move order. You can get the other guy to think more instead of playing from memory, and it's possible that some tactical shot not normally available may present itself to you.

I guess the other advantage is that it leaves you the option to play the Smith-Morra or an open Sicilian. So you can wait to see how black develops and then decide which variation you find most advantageous against that black set-up.

Apr-23-06  TheKid: Thanks for the reply. I too thought about it like that. I like the Bishop's placement on c4 right off the bat.
May-03-06  marn0: How about setting up the wing gambit first? Maybe Black's smile at 2.a3 will change when he sees 3.b4...?
Jul-29-06  Knight13: This opening is more popular at club level than the international level. 2. Nf3 is another alternative, stopping black's opportunity of playing ...d5.
Jul-29-06  Hannibal: I think <2450 ELO everything is playable. I like Morra Gambit and you must be creative if black knows principal lines... but you can reach very complicated positions with it where black feels unconfortable
Jul-29-06  Knight13: <2. Nf3 is another alternative, stopping black's opportunity of playing ...d5.> I meant 2. Nc3. Sorry.
Aug-02-06  gambitfan: I just began playing a Grand Prix Attack with Black (1 e4 c5 2 f4 e6 3 Nf3...) with a German opponent...

Let us see what happens !

With :
White wins 36.5%
Black wins 40.8%
Draws 22.7%

I feel quite confident !

Aug-02-06  gambitfan: Just have a look at this game : C Radovici vs Matulovic, 1964...

Corvin Radovici vs Milan Matulovic
Tel Aviv ol (Men) fin-A 1964 · Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4 (B21) · 0-1 Milan Matulovic was born on the 10th of June 1935 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia. Awarded the IM title in 1961 and the GM title in 1965 he won the Yugoslavian Championship in 1965 and 1967. Possessing a clear and forceful style and liking sharp play he has made some notable contributions to Opening Theory, particularly the Morra Gambit in the Sicilian Defence.

I am now playing (with Black) a Grand Prix Attack...

the wonderful game above will be inspiring I hope...

I am a former Morra Gambit Player for whicch Matulovic has been a great contributor...

Aug-02-06  Hannibal: Matulovic-Sokolov is a great game...of course Matulovic played Morra-Gambit
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