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| Apr-20-08 | | whiskeyrebel: yeah, 1...e6 is much more versatile for black against 1.Nf3...although 1...f5 is certainly playable. The Lisitsyn incidentally is the one gambit I will always call blacks bluff on...especially in faster time controls. |
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| Apr-20-08 | | drkodos: The Lisityn Gambit is good for black and there is no reason to avoid it as it allows Black to equaalize. Current Praxcis recommends 2. d3 as a better move in the 1.Nf3 f5 system (Kindermann) There is no reason to avoid 1. ...f5 as all anti-dutch systems fail to yield a true advantage for white against proper play. All these other "cop-out" moves are for those Dutch players that don't do their homework. |
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May-07-08
 | | Ron: Here's a trap in the Dutch Defense:
After the moves 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 g5 5. Be2 
click for larger viewit would be a blunder for Black to win the bishop 5. ... gxf4?? for then 6. Bh5+ Nxh5 7. Qxh5 mate |
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| Jul-22-08 | | FeArMySkiLLz: Yes, Recently I've been looking at the games of Zhong(2600+). He plays the Dutch almost regularly with excellent success. Here's a game which he demonstrates brilliant endgame play. This game is highly instructive for dutch players. J B Campos-Moreno vs Zhong Zhang, 2000 |
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| Jul-22-08 | | FeArMySkiLLz: J B Campos-Moreno vs Zhong Zhang, 2000 |
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| Feb-22-09 | | Woody Wood Pusher: I hate the Dutch. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | blacksburg: hey Dutch (A80) people, congratulations on beating the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic! |
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Apr-01-09
 | | James Demery: The Dutch looks like an interesting defense to QP openings. I always get cramped positions playing the QGD and QGA not to mention the KID. Maybe the Dutch is a possibility. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | Dredge Rivers: This defense works much better if you're toked up on the Mary Jane. Wearing wooden shoes helps as well. :) |
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Apr-01-09
| | James Demery: Not sure that would help my game DR ! |
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| Apr-02-09 | | MaxxLange: This is an excellent opening to take up if you are new and have no idea what to do against 1 d4 - I am not saying that is all it is, but it is that |
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| Apr-02-09 | | MaxxLange: The problem with that idea is beginner v beginner games where White always plays the Stonewall and Black always plays the Dutch - you get into the dreaded double Stonewall, and no one has any pawn breaks (or knows about them) and it's like the d4 version of the dreaded symmetrical quiet Italian Game in that every game is the same and dead equal. |
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May-14-09
| | James Demery: Can one of the better players give a sort of overview of the goals and plans of the Dutch defense? I`m a 1500 player and have played a few games with it with mixed results, largely because I`m not sure what I`m supposed to be doing. |
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| May-15-09 | | nescio: <James Demery> Concentrate on the square e4. If White can play e4 without hindrance he will always develop a space advantage. I have never trusted the move 1...f5, but sometimes played it in a delayed form: 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Nc3 f5 or 3.Nd2 f5. Another idea may be to cover square e4 first with the bishop: 1.d4 b6 2.c4 Lb7, followed by ...e6 and ...f5. Of course you have to be comfortable with the positions after 2.e4. For ideas and plans it's best to have a look at some grandmaster games. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 and a subsequent ...d5: Botvinnik, Short. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 and a subsequent ...d6: Larsen, Simon Williams. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6: Malaniuk. |
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| May-15-09 | | blacksburg: check out some of Henrik Danielsen 's live blitz videos, he plays the dutch with black whenever he has the chance. http://www.youtube.com/user/krakkas... |
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May-15-09
| | James Demery: nescio and blacksburg: Thank you both for taking the time to respond. Every time I play my biggest problem seems to be that I wind up with my King exposed and facing a tremendous amount of pressure. Morphy made it look so easy. CG.com is a tremendous resource for lesser rated players like me to get to hear the thoughts of higher rated players. Many thanks to both of you. |
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| May-15-09 | | nescio: <James Demery: Every time I play my biggest problem seems to be that I wind up with my King exposed and facing a tremendous amount of pressure.> I can imagine. That's a drawback of 1...f5. It weakens the kingside and restricts the light-square bishop. On the other hand, a later ...f5 is often an essential part of many defences against 1.d4 and it isn't always easy to achieve it, so why not play it at once? Botvinnik and Larsen played it to unbalance the game, not to get an easy position. If White isn't careful you may even be able to attack quickly by advancing the other kingside pawns. You'll find many examples in the queen's indian (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6) and the king's indian (2...g6 and 3...Bg7). Don't be afraid of difficulties. Just play it, study your games afterward and try to find out how the masters treated similar positions. |
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May-18-09
| | James Demery: Very good advice nescio. Thank you. |
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| May-18-09 | | Poisonpawns: May i add....:-) I have had relations with the dutch defense for several years now. I will say that playing it will definitely improve your overall chess skills.There are so many anti-dutch sytems available to white, that are dangerous, and sound.You may hardly get to play main lines in the dutch defense.You may have to face Staunton Gambit or H3,g4 lines,Qd3, Early Bg5 lines etc.So in all this preperation to play the dutch,you may not get to play a stonewall or leningrad.However you will increase your understanding, and have some hair raising games to go with it.Enjoy |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <Poisonpawns: May i add....:-) I have had relations with the dutch defense for several years now. I will say that playing it will definitely improve your overall chess skills.There are so many anti-dutch sytems available to white, that are dangerous, and sound.You may hardly get to play main lines in the dutch defense.You may have to face Staunton Gambit or H3,g4 lines,Qd3, Early Bg5 lines etc.So in all this preperation to play the dutch,you may not get to play a stonewall or leningrad.However you will increase your understanding, and have some hair raising games to go with it.Enjoy> That was my experience when I played the Dutch. Hardly ever got a main line... I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | WarmasterKron: I play the Dutch a lot, but this is probably my first spectactular win with it. It's a bit of a mess, as all my games tend to be. [Site "http://gameknot.com/"]
[White "congocall"]
[Black "dkirby"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1392"]
[BlackElo "1360"]
1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. c4 b6
5. a3 Bb7 6. Be2 d5 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. b4 Nd7
9. Bb2 N7f6 10. Nc3 Qe7 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Ne5 Kb8
13. Nxd5 Nxd5 14. Bf3 g5 15. Bxd5 Bxd5 16. Re1 g4
17. g3 h5 18. Ng6 Qd7 19. Nxh8 Qg7 20. Qd2 h4
21. gxh4 Qxh8 22. Qe2 Qxh4 23. Qf1 Bd6
click for larger view24. f4 gxf3 25. Qf2 Rg8+ 26. Kf1 Qh3+ 0-1
I'd love to claim 17...h5 was a deliberate exchange sacrifice, designed to swap his active knight for my passive rook, but, er, it wasn't. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | blacksburg: <I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French.> this is also my dilemma, i like the dutch, but i can't figure out the french... |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <blacksburg: <I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French.>
this is also my dilemma, i like the dutch, but i can't figure out the french...> One try is going to a Franco-Benoni - 1. d4, e6; 2. e4, c5!?. Its very 'loose' but the option of posting the KN on a square other than f6 can make things interesting. You have to be ready for a Sicilian (Kan or such) if white refrains from d5 and plays Nf3 instead. |
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Jul-10-09
 | | Eric Schiller: 1.d4 e6 2.Qd3 can lead to a Manhattan Gambit after 2...f5 3.g4!? So you haven't escaped that. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <Eric Schiller: 1.d4 e6 2.Qd3 can lead to a Manhattan Gambit after 2...f5 3.g4!? So you haven't escaped that.> :) There is no escape, IM Schiller - the game is a labryinth to us all. BTW - Any news on the Pterodactyl eBook? |
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