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|Jun-17-04|| ||Infohunter: Yes, <Calli>, "Forgács" is a Hungarian name, the English equivalent of which could be "Shaver" or "Turner," reference being to one who works on either a wood or a metal lathe. Note that this is not equivalent to the German "Fleischmann" (English equivalent "Butcher"), the cognate of which ("Fleshman") we have as two individual words, but not as the compound in quotes.|
Just so that I don't omit to say something "on-topic" here, I should like to mention that Forgács' win against Tartakower at St. Petersburg in 1909 is one of my favorites.
|Jun-17-04|| ||Gypsy: Two hypotheses: (1) Few players from around 1990 used pseudonyms; it was similar to stage-names of actors and pen-names of authors. (2) Titled roots were also still in vogue; Forgacz could have been a "noble" name, say, from the mother side of the family. Plain speculations on my part; just pointing a less sinister possibilities, rooted in vanity rather than in xenofobia or prejudice. |
|Jun-17-04|| ||vonKrolock: Golombek declares that he "always entered in competitions whith the name Fleischmann", in the reports and prizes delivery from Nuremberg 1906 appears the form Forgácz-Fleischmann; in the game-scores and table shortly Forgácz (reinforce the hypothesis of a nom-de-plume) - in Ostend 1907 he appears as Forgácz 'tout-court' in almost all the Book - reveals a tendency to adopt preferably the magyarized form. (but, strangely enough, Fleischmann appears whithout the other surname in the table, and only there...) |
|Dec-29-04|| ||Benzol: Leo Forgacs (ne Fleischmann)
Born 5th October 1881 in Budapest
Died 17th August 1930 in Berettyoufalju.
He was Hungarian champion in 1907.
|Jun-01-05|| ||Benzol: Why did he give playing after 1913?|
|Oct-05-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Leo Fleischmann Forgacs|
|Oct-05-06|| ||LoFarkas: The name of the village where he died is mistyped in the bio. it's Berettyóújfalu not "-úfalju" Not that it matters much, and I'm not even hoping for accented letters;)|
|May-08-09|| ||myschkin: . . .
Tief beeindruckt von dieser technischen Meisterleistung war der Schüler Leo Forgacs (1881-1930), <der bis 1904 Fleischmann hieß, bevor er seinen Namen hungarisierte.>
|May-26-10|| ||sneaky pete: "Leo Fleischmann of Budapest, who, under the name of Forgacs, represented the Forgacs Chess Club of his city in the last Nuremburg congress, dividing third and fourth prizes with Schlechter, won the rapid transit tournament at the Manhattan Chess Club, on March 7, against fifteen other contestants. The noted visitor, who has been in New York about a fortnight, defeated in succesive rounds Messrs. Levy, L.B. Meyer, L. Lichtenberg and J.R. Capablanca."|
From the March 1907 issue of Lasker's Chess Magazine. No games are given.
|Oct-05-10|| ||whiteshark: <Player of the Day>|
|Oct-05-10|| ||Remizatorul: Here are some interesting informations :
|Oct-05-13|| ||Kikoman: <Player of the Day>
Rest In Peace Sir Leo Fleischmann Forgacs.
|Oct-05-13|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. <POTD>: Leo Fleischmann Forgacs.|
|Oct-05-13|| ||DoctorD: This player has an entry as author at both the Chess Problem Database Server and Yet Another Chess Problem Database but both databases also contain no problems by him at all!|
Anyone know more?
|Jul-22-14|| ||Karpova: He won a tournament arranged by the Budapest Chess Club, wherein all of the strongest players of Budapest participated. It took place from November 15 to December 14, 1906. Time control was 18 moves per hour.|
1. Forgacs 14.0
2-3. Zoltan Balla 12.0
2-3. Janos Gajdos 12.0
4. Istvan Abonyi 10.5
5. Aladar Erdey 9.5
6. Ferencz Kepes 9.0
7-8. Ignacz Langer 8.0
7-8. Lajos Merenyi 8.0
9. Zsigmond Barasz 7.5
10. Artur Peisner 6.5
11. Bernat Steiner 6.0
12-13. Mor Balazs 5.5
12-13. Janos Groß 5.5
14. Lajos Denes 3.5
15. Jeno Wettin 2.5
16. Sandor Voros 0.0
Prizes (in Kronen): Forgacs 150, Balla and Gajdos (100+60)/2, Abonyi 40, Erdey 30, Kepes 20.
Forgacs scored +13 -0 =2, drawing Erdey and Langer. Balla scored +11 -2 =2, Gajdos +12 -3 =0. Voros withdrew after the 6th round (after losing to Forgacs, Balla, Erdey, Barasz, Ballazs and Denes).
There is a short biography of Leo Forgacs (Leo Fleischmann prior to the <Magyarisirung> as a footnote says): He was born on 5 October 1881. After passing the <Maturitätsprüfung> in 1899 with honours, he completed the <orientalische Handelsakademie> (oriental commercial academy) in Budapest. He got acquainted with chess at the age of 14, but visited the Budapest Chess Club only from 1899 onwards. He had the opportunity to play against Charousek, Dr. Jacobi, Lehner, Maroczy and many others there. In 1902, he won the Hanover <Hauptturnier B> and the Master title of the German Chess Federation. He won the Barmen 1905 <Meisterturnier> ahead of strong players like Wilhelm Cohn, Dr. Julius Perlis and Rudolf Swiderski. The Ostend 1906 <Meisterturnier> was not such a success for him, since he devoted more attention to roulette. Only 3 weeks later, he shared 3rd-4th place together with Schlechter at Nuremberg, coming ahead of players like Janowski and Dr. Tarrasch.
Source: 'Wiener Schachzeitung', March-April 1907, pp. 89-90
|May-18-15|| ||MissScarlett: The American Chess Bulletin, February 1921, p.28:
<"Deutsches Wochenschach," for January 23, reports the death of L. Forgacs, the well-known Hungarian master, who participated in many tournaments under the name of Fleischmann. For the past few years, however, he had withdrawn from chess circles. His death occurred in Budapest last December, but the circumstances surrounding his demise have not been ascertained.>
The March edition noted on p.50:
<"Deutsches Wochenschach," for February 20, states that the report of the death of Leo Forgacs, supposed to have occurred during a revolutionary riot in Hungary, turns out to have been unfounded and, furthermore, that the noted master, at last accounts, was alive and well.>
|Oct-05-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Leo Forgacs.|
|Feb-22-17|| ||zanzibar: His bio protrait is from <Wiener Schachzeitung, Volume 10 (1907) p90>|
|Apr-16-18|| ||zanzibar: Note to Biographers...
<Always playing in tournaments under the name Fleischmann ... >
I don't believe this is true, what source backs this statement up?
I'm pretty certain that he entered the <Ostend (1906)> tournament as Forgacs. And I believe the literature thereafter mostly used Forgacs as well.
|Apr-16-18|| ||zanzibar: Of course this has already been noted:
Leo Fleischmann Forgacs (kibitz #9)
|Apr-16-18|| ||zanzibar: Winter mentions him in connection with premature death notices:|
|Apr-17-18|| ||Tabanus: <Always playing in tournaments under the name Fleischmann ... >|
That seems to be true, to judge from English newspapers. But only before and until 1906. After that they have Forgacs only.
|Apr-17-18|| ||JimNorCal: Did he spend time in a mental institution?
Ed Lasker's memoir "Chess Secrets" made that claim.
|Apr-17-18|| ||zanzibar: <PmD> provides some info about when the name change occurred...|
Biographer Bistro (kibitz #18204)
Apparently the press took some time to adopt the new name.
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<Tab> always always means always, excepting unlessing...
<[bio] Always playing in tournaments under the name Fleischmann (he was Hungarian champion in 1907.) >
is simply false. The bio is always going to be *wrong* until this is changed.
<<tab> That seems to be true, to judge from English newspapers. >
No, this might be a language issue, but your comment is wrong, because the assertion in the bio is absolute - it claims he *always* played under the name Fleischmann.
Not true - he began playing exclusively under the name Forgacs.
< But only before and until 1906. After that they have Forgacs only.>
The conditional can't follow an absolute in a separate sentence - it must go into the first sentence to modify the claim, always.
Perhaps the simplest correction is to adopt the info <PMD> provided, something like:
<Before 1904 he always played under the name Fleischmann, after that he exclusively used the name Forgacs, which the chess literature eventually also adopted.>
|Apr-17-18|| ||zanzibar: <The conditional can't follow an absolute in a separate sentence - it must go into the first sentence to modify the claim, always.>|
Well, almost always. At least when writing formally, some indication of exceptions need to modify the "always" qualifier.
Informally, you can delay backing up, as I did here. But formally, it's not recommended.
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