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| Drstrangelove: This guy beat Alekhine, Spielmann,Tartakower, and Nimzowitsch. Kind of impressive. |
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Sep-05-03
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| MichaelJHuman: He did well with playing QGD as white. |
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Dec-13-03
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| Chessical: Fleischmann was the German surname sometimes used by Leo Forgacs L Fleischmann |
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Dec-13-03
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| chessgames.com: OK, we'll merge the player records in that case. |
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Dec-13-03
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| Chessical: <Calli: I believe Leo Fleischmann was his real name, he just played under the name Forgacs. Don't know why. Anti-semitism?>
Maybe. German was the ruling class language in the Dual Monarchy (Austro-Hungary), but the Hungarians had secured a lot more political clout than the Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, etc. (See the Czech classic "The Good Soldier Svejk and His Fortunes in the World War" by Jaroslav Hasek for a humerous account of this patchwork empire). I therefore don't think it would be to disguise his Hungarian roots that he felt the need to sometimes use a German surname. |
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Dec-13-03
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| Calli: <Chessical> Thanks for the book recommendation. I'll put it on my Amazon wishlist. I actually have some Austro-Hungric roots dating to the 19th century. So Forgacs is a Hungarian name? At some point, Fleischmann decided that politically it was better to Hungarian. |
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Jun-17-04
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| Infohunter: Yes, <Calli>, "Forgács" is a Hungarian name, the English equivalent of which could be "Shaver" or "Turner," reference being to one who works on either a wood or a metal lathe. Note that this is not equivalent to the German "Fleischmann" (English equivalent "Butcher"), the cognate of which ("Fleshman") we have as two individual words, but not as the compound in quotes. Just so that I don't omit to say something "on-topic" here, I should like to mention that Forgács' win against Tartakower at St. Petersburg in 1909 is one of my favorites. |
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Jun-17-04
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| Gypsy: Two hypotheses: (1) Few players from around 1990 used pseudonyms; it was similar to stage-names of actors and pen-names of authors. (2) Titled roots were also still in vogue; Forgacz could have been a "noble" name, say, from the mother side of the family. Plain speculations on my part; just pointing a less sinister possibilities, rooted in vanity rather than in xenofobia or prejudice. |
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Jun-17-04
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| vonKrolock: Golombek declares that he "always entered in competitions whith the name Fleischmann", in the reports and prizes delivery from Nuremberg 1906 appears the form Forgácz-Fleischmann; in the game-scores and table shortly Forgácz (reinforce the hypothesis of a nom-de-plume) - in Ostend 1907 he appears as Forgácz 'tout-court' in almost all the Book - reveals a tendency to adopt preferably the magyarized form. (but, strangely enough, Fleischmann appears whithout the other surname in the table, and only there...) |
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Dec-29-04
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| Benzol: Leo Forgacs (ne Fleischmann)
Born 5th October 1881 in Budapest
Died 17th August 1930 in Berettyoufalju.
He was Hungarian champion in 1907. |
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Jun-01-05
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| Benzol: Why did he give playing after 1913? |
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| Oct-05-06 |
| BIDMONFA: Leo Fleischmann Forgacs FORGACS, Leo
http://www.bidmonfa.com/forgacs_leo...
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| Oct-05-06 |
| LoFarkas: The name of the village where he died is mistyped in the bio. it's Berettyóújfalu not "-úfalju" Not that it matters much, and I'm not even hoping for accented letters;) |
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| May-08-09 |
| myschkin: . . .
Tief beeindruckt von dieser technischen Meisterleistung war der Schüler Leo Forgacs (1881-1930), <der bis 1904 Fleischmann hieß, bevor er seinen Namen hungarisierte.> Source: http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner... |
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